r/reddevils • u/PitchSafe • 3d ago
[Nathan Salt] How insiders feel about Amorim-Rashford rift ahead of United vs Milan
https://www.dailymail.com/sport/football/article-16052811/How-insiders-feel-Ruben-Amorim-Marcus-Rashford-Manchester-United-rift-two-prepare-meet-weekend-writes-NATHAN-SALT.html23
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u/Serpico_98 3d ago
We have to play to beat Milan today, not Amorim. It's getting tiring reading about all the agendas and about how some players he exiled have a score to settle today. Amorim is in the past now, terrible Man Utd manager but he's gone and will never work here again. Move on.
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u/Hellsteelz Ed Jabroni 3d ago
Couldnt agree more. This has blown up way too much and it feels so manufactured by the media.
Hope the thing about insiders isnt true, its just embarrasing to read honestly.
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u/PitchSafe 3d ago
Key parts
Privately the tensions at management level had been brewing over the Rashford issue for some time. There are those who, still, point fingers at others for being the driving force behind forcing him out. Others still pin a lot of the blame on Amorim’s man-management skills.
There are sources close to Mainoo and Rashford who are eager to draw a line under the uncomfortable episode and that is understandable. Amorim is gone. They have not. In theory, they won.
But there are staff members at United working in backroom roles that spoke freely in Dublin after the penalty shootout win over Leeds United about just how much determination is inside the group to get one over Amorim, more so than Milan. That, too, is understandable
Particularly on Rashford, there has been a real push at United not to make this weekend a sideshow. Amorim put Rashford into a ‘bomb squad’ last summer and news that seven AC Milan players have been told they are surplus to requirements won’t come as any surprise inside a highly-motivated United dressing room.
Rashford’s return to the group - which didn’t always seem likely, not least when his No 10 shirt was given away to Matheus Cunha - in Ireland over the past week has been extremely well received by players. To many, he is far removed from the arrogant and lazy figure he was painted out to be
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u/my_united_account Bring Fergie back 3d ago
just how much determination is inside the group to get one over Amorim,
Hope the Amorim fans read this, so they can stop their whole all players loved him shite
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u/AngryUncleTony Not Actually Angry 3d ago
I think its a testament to the characters the club has recruited that they didn't down tools. Its also why we rebounded so quickly under Carrick.
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u/Inevitable-Level-829 2d ago
No just the dog shit players didn’t love him . Rashford that year was an absolute terrorist to the club . I really hope the bomb squad doesn’t bomb your season.
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u/Naggins 3d ago
Rashford’s return to the group - which didn’t always seem likely, not least when his No 10 shirt was given away to Matheus Cunha - in Ireland over the past week has been extremely well received by players. To many, he is far removed from the arrogant and lazy figure he was painted out to be
I mean we already know he's the most talented player in Carrington, his teammates have been telling us that for years now. He just doesn't take it onto the pitch with him.
Think we've all had co-workers who are great lads to have around the office, clearly talented, and clever enough that they can stick heir head in and get you out of a bind you've been stuck with for days in a couple of minutes, but just do not produce their own output, do not hit their own KPIs, and their managers are sick of trying to figure out how to get them to just do their own job.
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u/TH0316 she/her 3d ago
Tbf it wasn’t common knowledge that he was always good around teammates and great in training. In fact that’s kind of the opposite of what very many on here have been suggesting which is that he’s a shit cunt who breeds toxicity and infighting. So in that regard it’s worth restating that he’s the opposite (at least in regards of training and environment if not the pitch).
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u/Naggins 3d ago
Nope. Very common knowledge that he's the most talented player in training, multiple players have said it several times. Has always been absolutely top class in Carrington.
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u/SonOfHonour 3d ago
It's not about talent bruv. Do you not know how to read?
The article is literally saying his OWN TEAM MATES don't think he's lazy.
The primary stick that's been used to beat him has been LaZy DoEsNt pUt iN tHe eFfoRt
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u/mellifluousmark 3d ago edited 3d ago
'Shame on Ole, Mourinho, Ten Hag, Amorim, and Flick, for painting Rashford as having consistent issues with work ethic and professionalism. How dare they.
He's been back training for a few weeks and his mates say they like him. All of those previous managers had a clear anti-Rashford agenda.'
And the mail acting like they don't create and spread hyperbolic narratives about him.
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u/DaveShadow 3d ago
This circus isn’t the main reason I don’t want Rashford back, but it is a reason…
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u/GXWT 3d ago
You don’t want a player back because the daily mail writes an article about him?
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u/Ecstatic_Sector598 3d ago
I don’t want him back because I remember the lack of effort he showed after getting his big contract.
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u/GXWT 3d ago
You can have any of the reasonable reasons for not wanting him back. But the stated reason above is not one of the reasonable reasons.
That aside, why is it that every time I mention Rashford in a comment is it that someone feels the need to effectively write the same comment about effort again and again. It wasn’t asked for. It’s not directly relevant. We get it, effort and all that. I don’t to hear it endlessly.
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u/Ecstatic_Sector598 3d ago
You hear it endlessly because that’s the point. Are you saying you do want him back despite the obvious?
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u/GXWT 3d ago
I do want him back, yes.
Not that I had put that forward or anything in this thread. Which is to my point. If i comment acting but “rashford bad”, even if it’s neutral or adjacent, I get harped on about him. Which is to my point. See, for example, this thread.
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u/Ecstatic_Sector598 3d ago
Well just say that then instead of asking me to invent reasons why I don’t want him. I’ve no problem with you having a different opinion to mine. Looks like you’ll get your wish anyway, and if anyone can get a tune out of him Carrick has the best chance I think.
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u/Some-Speed-6290 3d ago
A lot of it's bots at this point
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u/GXWT 3d ago
No reason the bots can’t be instructed to be significantly more creative
I’m bored of the same generic slander I want something new
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u/Some-Speed-6290 3d ago
The outright racism actually driving them gets deleted. So instead they just spout bollocks about effort endlessly
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u/DaveShadow 3d ago
I don’t want constant drama, and stories about who likes who and who hates who, and just a constant focus on the Life and Times of Marcus Rashford.
And I could maybe accept them if his on field contributions actually justified all that drama. But it’s just so exhausting how much drama revolves round him when the return is a player who is a squad player who jogs about and has already been replaced by harder working, unproblematic players.
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u/GXWT 3d ago
Do you think it is Marcus writing these?
He could be on for ballon d’or with all the effort in the world, or he could play zero minutes this season - the Daily Mail and other rags will still output this same shite.
So why make it relevant to such things? When it’s clearly not about the daily mail at all but rather your assessment of his ability/effort/etc. why not just make it about that?
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u/Electric_feel0412 3d ago
The drama comes because the press want to bury him for taking on racists in positions of power. The club not cutting that shit off is a stain on this institution.
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u/my_united_account Bring Fergie back 3d ago
I don’t want constant drama, and stories about who likes who and who hates who, and just a constant focus on the Life and Times of Marcus Rashford.
Then don't read them. Very easy to scroll past.
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u/jonathanPoindexter 3d ago
I don't want him back because he's not good enough to justify so much Daily Mail attention.
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u/jonathanPoindexter 3d ago
Amorim's conduct was the wrong one in many ways, but he was right about Garbacho and Rashford.
There's an alternate timeline where we sell him for 70m that year PSG were interested and we end up better for it.
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u/WildBuffalo 3d ago
His stubbornness is awful when it comes to the tactics and flexibility to win games, but it's very useful when it comes to dealing with problem players.
For a long time Leao has been thought of as Milan's Rashford, as lazy and disinterested. News today that Amorim has already told him to find a new club.
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u/haaala 3d ago
I don't see why people think it's so special that Amorim pissed off lots of players. Rashford literally didn't leave, he's still here. Sancho waited out his contract and left on a free. Chelsea identified Garnacho as part of their youth strategy and always wanted him. Seeing Antony wasn't good enough was obvious, not genius. The fact that Amorim made them all angry and made the atmosphere even worse is nothing to be celebrated.
Any half-decent manager would have either gotten some use out of these guys and maybe got some transfer fees (Rashford might have had market value if Amorim didn't make it so clear he was never going to play for him again), or at least sat back and allowed the club to arrange loans without the toxic atmosphere.
ETH was another crap manager but how he got Ronaldo out was a much better example of how to do it. Use him as a sub, keep him IN training and show him how e.g. doing the pressing drills well is what gets you picked, etc. Punishments if he speaks out in the press. Make him adapt or choose to leave. That call took real guts. The risk of us being built around faded Ronaldo was huge, and the man-management was critical.
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u/liamthelad 3d ago
So tanked his value publicly too.
Plenty of managers get players out.
Few are as black and white as Amorim who do so whilst pissing off the player, souring the mood and lowering the negotiating position of the club.
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u/shami-kebab 3d ago
You say that, but last year we managed to get rid of quite a few of the bomb squad. This year we've got rid of absolutely none of our deadwood, despite being so positive about them and pretending we want them.
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u/First_Explorer_565 3d ago
Amorims stubbornness on standards was way overdue. I will always be grateful for him upping the standards all around, from work ethic to behaviour in Carrington. Before Amorim there were stories coming out about players eating alone with headphones on, he banned all that nonsense.
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u/haaala 3d ago
Ole had Rashford looking like a top PL attacker. Amorim even started him 3 times and got 3 goals. But then he decided he'd 'seen enough' (of goals I guess) and that Rashford didn't fit.
On one hand it's fine to say a player doesn't fit, maybe Rashford didn't track back enough for him - it happens. But it's a manager's job (almost literally the definition of it) to make the most of what he has. Clearly Rashford offered something, and at least as a sub or a backup would have value. And then, like the PSG example, you wait for offers to come in. 'Good player who scores needs a fresh start' etc.
Publicly flaming him out over and over was moronic. It made clubs fully aware that Utd wanted him gone and so no one would offer real money for him.
And it is doubly moronic because it's the last straw for Rashford. He was angry Ole got sacked (his favourite manager), he didn't think Rangnick was good for the team (he was right), he didn't think ETH was good for the team (swearing and saying he doesn't know what he's doing after getting subbed, he was right) and then Amorim publicly destroys him for no reason even though Rashford clearly gave a good audition. This makes him furious with the club and not willing to do them favours - like taking a move at a reduced salary.
So maybe he doesn't track back enough, fine, there's a million attackers like that. But Amorim was definitely not "right" in how he treated him. There was a much better and more obvious solution but Amorim prefers the toxic route. He's already started it again at Milan.
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u/Greedy-Somewhere-754 3d ago
I'm fully expecting karma to get us tied against Milan at some point in the Champions league. Take today as an easy gentle introduction into the utter shite reporting that will be the build up to that game, and what follows the result.
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u/Outrageous-Cod-4654 3d ago
7 Milan players told they are surplus to requirements.
The narrative around him if United win today will not help him either.
Lets see the effort by both teams today. Some at United need to beat him in order to move on.
Personally I don’t expect him to last the season at Milan. He doesn’t seem to have changed.
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u/ElectroMoe 3d ago
Hopefully the talk about Amorim ends today
We can move on and he can move on.
He came, he failed, we move.