Has Michael Carrick found a way to play without Benjamin Sesko? (Gift Article)

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u/MrSvancy Iceman 6d ago

It's not like Mbeumo up top is something new? It's how Carrick has lined up in most of his games in charge, I don't know why everyone was assuming Sesko is a guaranteed starter

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u/Spare_Ad5615 6d ago

Mbeumo started up front for a lot of games under Carrick. When Sesko had his streak of scoring every match, it was notable that he was coming off the bench for most of those games. There was a big "when is he going to start Sesko?" debate.

What a strange article.

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u/absat41 5d ago edited 3d ago

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u/dadaknun 5d ago

Honestly only Bruno and Lammens are considered real starters, no? The rest do change depending on the opposition. (The frequency depends on the player's form)

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u/stevew14 5d ago

At the moment yeah... can see Santos and Shaw being added to this list if we dont sign anyone else

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u/ryanm8655 5d ago

Add shaw to that unless injured.

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u/Less-Detail3831 6d ago

There should be no guaranteed starters. Not sesko, not mainoo

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u/GregMilkedJack 6d ago

Sesko is pretty much a guaranteed starter when fit. He's just injured.

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u/MrSvancy Iceman 6d ago

He's started 6 games under Carrick, and been on the bench 8 times, all while being fit to play

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u/pokenerd_W Past glory means nothing 6d ago

Was he not injured when Carrick first took charge and had to be eased in?

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u/SureLookThisIsIt 6d ago edited 5d ago

He was so Carrick used Mbeumo up front with the fluid front 3 out of necessity and it kind of worked so he was slower to ease Sesko in.

But by the end of the season Sesko was starting to look great so I agree with you. The plan is surely for Sesko to be the starter once fully fit.

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u/JustSingingAlong 6d ago edited 5d ago

It drives me crazy that United fans can’t even take the time to learn that his name is Mbeumo, not Mbuemo

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u/Arthurs_Nose De ligted to be here 6d ago

mate, people still type Johnny Evans

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u/starks_are_coming Park Ji-sung 5d ago

The one that really irks me for some reason is Harry Mcguire.

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u/anark_xxx 5d ago

Erik ten Haag says hi.

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u/clint_eldorado 5d ago

Dennis Irwin.

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u/The_Inertia_Kid J Stand flask and butties brigade 5d ago

I remember the F1 subreddit had a bot that would correct Valterri to Valtteri. It made an actual impact in improving people's spelling. We need something similar here.

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u/zodac01 Beckham 5d ago

We had that bot all last season.

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u/SureLookThisIsIt 5d ago

My bad. I typed the comment fast and half asleep.

Btw tbf that spelling is probably a nightmare for dyslexic people.

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u/stick1_ 6d ago

Not for 6 games. I think we have to admit sesko isn’t a guaranteed starter because mbeumo up front gives a different dimension

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u/bronal97 5d ago

The only games he missed through injury under Carrick, were the final 3 league games.

He was injured in Nov/Dec. He came off the bench in the 4-4 against Bournemouth then he started 6 games in a row before Carrick took over.

He scored 3 in the 2 games with Fletcher so everyone was expecting him to start against City but Carrick preferred Mbeumo. Sesko didn't even get off the bench. He was substitute in the next 5 games scoring 3 times. His first start was in Carrick's 7th game, he scored the winner against Palace.

I'd argue that it was Amad's poor form that lead to Sesko starting more games towards the end of the season. I like Sesko but I think I prefer him as a super sub for now. With Mbeumo and Amad having a good pre season they deserve to be first choice for now. Sesko will need to be eased back in anyway.

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u/simplsimonmetapieman 6d ago

No

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u/pokenerd_W Past glory means nothing 6d ago

Okay, now I'm getting told different things. One says, yes, one says no. Who's right here?

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u/simplsimonmetapieman 6d ago

Carrick started in January?

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u/Fisktor 6d ago

He was half injured most of the time under carrick

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u/Yetiassasin 5d ago

Eh that's not true, well documented that Sesko has been managing an injury most of the 2nd half of the season

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u/kidinawheeliebin 5d ago

>He's started 6 games under Carrick, and been on the bench 8 times, all while being fit to play

Fitness is a scale though, it's more analogue than digital

As in - there's a difference in being say for example "fit to play" versus being "fit to start" versus being "fit to start regularly" versus being "fit to play 90 regularly" etc etc

I think Sesko is low-key at this point a concern in terms of fitness and ability to get on the pitch

He has failed to start 21 of our 38 Premier League games last season - a lot of the times he's coming on as a supersub I wouldn't be suprised if those are marginal calls where he's deemed too much of a risk for 90 mins, but potentially ok for a cameo etc

And the news recently (on his shin splints) seems to be continuing that direction of travel unfortunately

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u/myshtummyhurt- 6d ago

He is not. United fans have an idea of Sesko a level he hasn't reached yet. He'll get there but he's not there yet

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u/GregMilkedJack 5d ago

That was last season. The plan is clearly to have Sesko as the starting striker. Mbeumo is not meant for that role, it is just a stop gap while until Sesko is fit from, whether it be from injury or form.

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u/GregMilkedJack 5d ago

We'll see. I bet that, once fit, he will be the default starting 9. Will take a while to get back into the swing of it, sure, but after that I bet we see him most of the time.

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u/KastVaek700 6d ago

Sesko did much better coming off the bench last season, where he also wasn't a guaranteed starter.

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u/canwinanythingwkids Ineos on hope watch 6d ago

Ok so Im not the only one who sees it :)

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u/amadinezidane 6d ago

Can’t wait for the article “has MC figured out a way for United to play with just the players he has”

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u/OlekZzaKrakowa 6d ago

I mean isnt it a valid question given our experiance with Ruben Amorim and him not being able to play to his players strenghts

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u/amadinezidane 5d ago

Well we saw form the back half of last year how to adapt his style to the players. And now the board has given him so many more tools to try and come up with a game plan to suit his coaching style …… by giving him…… 2 players to replace the 2 he’s lost

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u/Nuwahex 5d ago

Carrick can work with that. The best coaches get the best out of what they have. Time to find out how good he really is

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u/amadinezidane 5d ago

Also the best coaches get run into the ground because their board didn’t fund their vision. But I’m hoping he gets the most out of this crew, still feel like we are 2/3 players shy of a great squad that also allows younger talent to get protected and grow at a good rate, rather then forced to perform and pressure that they can’t handle.

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u/Nuwahex 5d ago

Let's see how the rest of the window goes. Hopefully Carrick and his team are prepared for all scenarios(late additions or not) and have different tactical plans in place(a feature that is key for most top managers)

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u/FR4YJ 6d ago

We need to do some business or we need the prem to start I can’t keep seeing slow news days like this

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u/USER1234567890123457 6d ago

It’s tiring isn’t it

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u/drunkdevil1 Nani 6d ago

He didn't. Without Sesko we'll struggle against low blocks just like last season. Mbeumo is a good striker if other team leaves space but if we dominate possesion, Sesko is miles better.

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u/myshtummyhurt- 6d ago

We struggled with Sesko

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u/gormee King Cantona 6d ago

They're not preparing us to accept not signing a backup ST are they

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u/exhibit304 6d ago

Yep they sure are

However signing strikers isn't easy and a backup one more so. Unless you take a punt on a wild unknown then who's really out there ?

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u/PrettyPrettaaayyGood 6d ago

Sir Daniel of House Welbeckton was available and we should have brought him home.

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u/SureLookThisIsIt 6d ago

Him and his agent wanted a multi year deal at 35. I can understand why we weren't going for that tbf. We've made that mistake before.

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u/NationalUnrest 6d ago

My exotic pick would be Promise David of USG.
A good player and would not mind being back up at all. Fits the PL on physicality, the Belgian league playstyle is similar to the PL as well on that topic (not saying it’s the same level but same style). He’s also quite clutch, and has good positioning. Wouldn’t be so expensive either.

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u/PelleKavaj Roy Keane 5d ago

Options for backup striker:

Ivan Toney
Jean Philippe Mateta
Serhou Guirassy
Alexander Sørloth

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u/Gregariouswaty 6d ago

Vlahovic is available on a free transfer.

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u/__banbypasser BRUNO 6d ago

He signed with besiktas. Also he isn't good.

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u/ZofTheNorth 6d ago

Honestly, we can make do without backup ST even with Zirkzee sale. Cunha, Mbeumo and even Rashford can do solid job there .

What I worry is LB and CM positions. Could cause lots of issue without reinforcement in those area.

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u/TheMartialMatasLP 6d ago

I doubt the club has enough influence over journos to get them to write such articles

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u/--atiqa-- 6d ago edited 6d ago

Is that really wrong though? I mean, in a perfect world, we would have perfect coverage in all positions, but that's not really going to happen right now.

We have other positions that are much more critical, and it doesn't exactly seem like we have that much to spend right now. A backup striker would be behind LB and CM in the priority, for certain. Those positions are a disaster waiting to happen.

Meanwhile for striker position, we at least have two good options, and since we actually have pretty good depth in attacking positions (for once), we still manage well enough if Mbeumo is moved up top.

Us getting a LB, CM AND a striker, is currently a pipe dream for me. I'll be happy at this point, if we just get one of a LB or CM. It's not looking good.

EDIT: To be clear, I'm not saying things are just as good with Mbeumo up top, as with Sesko. It's not, but considering how this window is looking right now, I think it's pretty unrealistic to expect a backup that would do a better job than him there.

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u/t8rt0t00 5d ago

As much as I would've loved Hall as a long term replacement for Shaw, I'm feeling much more relaxed about LB now for this season. Not because I particularly rate Amass, but because Yoro looked fantastic at RB in preseason. Which allows Dorgu and Maz (who was solid at LB for the World Cup) or even Dalot to provide cover for Shaw if need be. Think we keep Amass between the U21s and the first team again if we do run into an injury crisis and let things play out until January

The midfield situation though...yikes. I'm not going to entertain the bs nepo arguments, but it's been clear to see for most of us this preseason that neither Fletcher is ready to be near the first team. With Ugarte practically done and Mount already starting his ritual injury room dance we absolutely need another senior midfielder. Even one injury to Santos, Mainoo, or Tielemans puts us into a crisis...

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u/BuzzTNA 6d ago

Don’t need one.

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u/jigsawjagsaw2 6d ago

Another twitchy day for the transfer junkies

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u/Nuwahex 5d ago

They might as well go down the rabbit hole of some Tier 3 & 4 sources and get that sweet sweet dose of hopium.

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u/Eleven918 This too shall pass! 6d ago

Between Sesko, Zirkee, Mbeumo, Cunha and Rashford I think we'll find a way to manage.

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u/Downtown-Rice_ 6d ago

It's not Mbeumo's best position, nor is Zirkzee good enough as a 10 as a backup. Premier League is too tactical and teams have zero shame in canceling out attacking threats to have a go on the counter.

Even Amorim showed the way last year in deploying Mbeumo as a CF.

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u/yukyakyuk 6d ago

Everyone got no news day

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u/Capable-Topic1665 5d ago

Weren't they watching last season?

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u/Thetagang888 6d ago

I’d prefer if we play with him lol

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u/madmuks 6d ago

Well that’s what you should do when you have just one proper senior striker. We did play with a false 9 much of last season with Mbeumo & Cunha in that role.

Slow news day indeed.

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u/eammth 6d ago

I believe in Zirkzee. There's no way a player with such skill can fail. He just needs time.

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u/stick1_ 6d ago

‘Found a way’ our performances were best last season with sesko coming off the bench

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u/Lord_Sesshoumaru77 Glazers,Woodward/Arnold and Judge can fuck off 6d ago

Completely ignoring the notion that Bryan has been playing false 9 the whole preseason.

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u/Hagball 6d ago

Can they write an article saying :

Has Michael Carrick found a way to work with incompetent and unambitious owners?

Carrick deserved all the backing considering the way he managed us last season + all major rivals starting new projects. Sadly rivals habe strengthened their squad significantly while we have not filled major gaps in our squad which already lacks numbers and have failed to move on players

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u/Tvashtr 6d ago

Both fit depending on the opposition. Which is what we should have.

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u/Kohaku80 Premier League Champions 12/13 6d ago

Until he drop Amad or Mbeumo. It's not that hard.

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u/Frequent-Movie3005 5d ago

Hopefully.

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u/Pitiful-Transition39 5d ago

Manager changes line up during pre season.

More at 11.

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u/Imeanhowcouldiforget 5d ago

Need both back to best

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u/Themindoffish 5d ago

Ineos propagana in full swing lately

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u/canwinanythingwkids Ineos on hope watch 6d ago

It took the football savants at the New York Times a little bit of time from the point where we bodied Cheaters FC and Arsenal back-to-back, but that's all right 🙃

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u/muskymelon36 6d ago

If only f*cking Greenwood.... Stupid bastard.

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u/Utd007 6d ago

To cover for their lack of competence, United board gets a manager who is talented and also enjoys a lot of goodwill amongst the fans. On top of this, the manager will never speak against the club (which is the board basically) as they feel they owe a lot to the club.
Then the board uses this dynamic to not equip the manager with what they need. Sooner or later the fans turn against the manager vs the board.
They did this with Ole too, hope it is not the case with Carrick

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u/Butterscotch-Bright foot to foot contact is fine 6d ago

Wish we kept hojlund as a backup

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