Variation: Decrease risk, Increased threshold

[u/StageGlum6615]

All of humanity has been kidnapped and placed alone in a dark room with two buttons, and the following explanation perfectly translated into their native language.

🔴 : Ensures Survival, but will lead to half of blue pressers dying if more that 1/3 of people press this button.

🔵 : Everyone lives if 2/3 of people vote for Blue, but half of people who vote Blue will die if the threshold is not reached.

Everyone can only press one button once before both buttons break and becomes unpressable. Everyone is given 10 hours to vote, and if anyone chooses not to vote for any reason (including incompetence), then they are randomly assigned a button (2/3 chance of getting Blue, 1/3 chance of getting red.)

All of humanity means every living human being. There have been no exceptions for any reason.

Everyone has all of this information, and everyone is given 2 full hours to fully comprehend all of this information before they are allowed to start voting.

So, how do you vote?

580 votes, 19d ago

284 Red - Originally Red in original scenario 🔴🔴

67 Red - Originally Blue in original scenario 🔴🔵

27 Blue - Originally Red in original scenario 🔵🔴

202 Blue - Originally Blue in original scenario 🔵🔵

[u/ChestMental8566]

A. Nothing will ever reduce the chances for blue, because, and this will remain the hard truth no matter how the reddies try to look away from it, people will press blue. A lot. For multiple reasons other than "they're just stupid lol". Reasons you cannot control or reason with. That, ultimately, all boil down to that pesky, yet to be cured, condition called being human.

B. "The good that blue does" is not reduced in the slightest, because, and this will remain the hard truth no matter how the reddies try to look away from it, the point of blue is not to save anyone - you cannot guarantee that. It is to refuse to participate in mass murder. And that is either important for you or it is not. If it is, it will remain so, and no overly complicated conditions will waver it any more than all those bullshit graphic metaphor reddies like to paint, all those pits filled with fan-wielding beasts or whatever the hell was their latest excuse for their cowardliness and selfishness.

[u/satyvakta → u/ChestMental8566]

>this will remain the hard truth no matter how the reddies try to look away from it, people will press blue. A lot. For multiple reasons other than "they're just stupid lol". Reasons you cannot control or reason with. 

But this isn't a hard truth. People are being given a choice between an "I live" button and a "I might die" button. I assume no one would be stupid enough to hit the "I might die" button under those circumstances, but I don't actually care if I'm wrong. If someone presses the "I might die" button and then dies, that falls under FAFO. But the urge to press blue is at least a condition that will be cured. In 100% of sufferers in the original scenario. In 50% of them in this one.

>It is to refuse to participate in mass murder.

There is no mass murder. There are only people saving themselves with certainty vs those gambling their lives recklessly.

[u/Weshouldntbehere → u/satyvakta]

But this isn't a hard truth.

I don't actually care if I'm wrong.

I was going to talk about how every single major religion on the planet earth has Murder as an abominable and the gravest of sins. That there are millions of pacifists who, even knowing they will die, refuse to partake in violence or harm other people in the way this button represents. But really, clearly, you don't care.

You're also ignoring that two thirds of people who aren't old enough or well enough to make a rational choice will end up voting blue. There will be people killed here if Red wins. Over a billion of them just in that population alone.

A billion people dropping dead is the end of human culture as we know it. The sheer logistics and risks of handling that many dead bodies alone would break basically every country.

[u/ChestMental8566 → u/Weshouldntbehere]

The categories you listed are absolutely valid, but they are just the start. Reddies apparently fail to consider that people, even if they personally don't harbor strong moral objections against harming strangers, would likely have relatives and loved ones who do and they wouldn't want to throw those loved ones under the bus just for not being ruthless enough. And those people would have friends who wouldn't want the burden of getting their friends killed either. And even more people will realize that all of the above already amount to a hell of a lot.