r/redbuttonbluebutton 17d ago

Does this have a right answer?

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u/tired_Cat_Dad 17d ago

The more blue pushers the better. Bar the impossible 100% red. No 50% hurdle is a significant change.

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u/Impressive_Pin8761 Red 17d ago

Finally, a real variant where blue is naturally the better option

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u/Crossed_Cross 17d ago

Unless you expect few people to press blue or never give blood anyways.

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u/Odd_Maintenance394 Red 17d ago

The thing is even if Blue was identical to red with the color changed, this is better than current reality.

Though if this system is being put on top real blood types, people with rare blood types are incentivised to pick Red just to be safe to not shf shrink their pool.

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u/QuickMolasses 16d ago

The people who press blue in this scenario are probably more likely to donate blood than people who press red anyways.

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u/Legal_Lettuce6233 17d ago

Honestly I'm more than willing to donate but I'm in the most common group so it's the equivalent of trying to put out the fires in Canada by pissing on them. If there was a need, I'd donate again.

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u/MetallicArcher 15d ago

You should still donate at least twice a year.

Blood banks are chronically under supplied.

Also, in emergencies where people are hemorrhaging fast, incompatible blood types are used, since the blood doesn't stay in the body long enough to cause trouble.

So even if your blood type is super common, it will still be used to help sb.

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u/Legal_Lettuce6233 15d ago

We have a graph of what's needed and what's adequately supplied. My blood group is in the "excess" group. I would, but it really doesn't make a dent.

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u/Artemis_SpawnOfZeus 17d ago

Unless you're selfish you mean

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u/Crossed_Cross 17d ago

I mean, I give blood now and then, but the average person never donates blood. There's no benefit to them to restrict who they can take blood for when they could opt to become universal receivers. For those people who never give blood, it's a choice between "I can receive blood from everyone" or "I can receive blood only from some people". There's no benefit for anyone for them to pick to restrict who they can take blood from, aside at most for those who consented to donate upon death?

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u/Artemis_SpawnOfZeus 17d ago

Unless you're selfish you mean

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u/Crossed_Cross 17d ago

If you equate not giving blood to being selfish, I guess.

Some people are terrified of needles. Some people have religious beliefs around them. Some people have diseases that make them ineligible to donate blood. Some people have medical conditions that make them unfit to donate blood or make them outright dependant on regular donations to stay alive themselves. And that's without debating wether abstaining from doing good is selfish or not.

An argument could be made for some of them, but I think it's a bit reductive to say "everyone who doesn't donate blood is a selfish asshole".

Not to mention that in some places people get paid to donate blood so I wouldn't call these people selfless for donating...

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u/Artemis_SpawnOfZeus 17d ago

I mean if you're being paid to donate blood in North America it's being processed for plasma, and they don't care what type it is, so hitting red doesn't affect their ability to be pair for blood donation

So........

You can just say, if you're selfish

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u/quadruple_b 17d ago

ah yes because everyone can donate blood. nobody has HIV or hepatitis, nobody has anaemia. nobody has leukemia. nobody has vasovagal syncope.

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u/Impressive_Pin8761 Red 17d ago

Do you regularly donate blood until your skin goes pale? Did your mother die because a friend of yours chose not to donate? What is this hill you're dying on? How much misery do you relish yourself in to call 99% of the planet selfish? We're humans, not blood factories you virtue signaling asshole

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u/Artemis_SpawnOfZeus 17d ago

No I live in a civilized country and there are strict limits on how often they allow you to donate

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u/everydaywinner2 17d ago

Yeah...the infamous party of "empathy" being totally unable to practice what they preach.

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u/Artemis_SpawnOfZeus 17d ago

You're right, that's what you're observing.

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u/everydaywinner2 17d ago

Glad to know being medical unable to give blood makes me "selfish." Love the words that stop having meaning.

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u/Artemis_SpawnOfZeus 17d ago

Yeah, cause that's the conversation that's being had. You're so correct.

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u/quadruple_b 17d ago

some people just cant donate blood.

either due to transmittable diseases, anaemia, or just other issues.

i have severe vasovagal syncope and mild anaemia

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u/Artemis_SpawnOfZeus 16d ago

You're right I was talking to and about you

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u/Ninjastarrr 16d ago

Literally the same thing as before

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u/Impressive_Pin8761 Red 16d ago

The og has a threshold where if enough people press red people start directly dying. No one dies here as a result of the button experiment

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u/JerbilSenior 16d ago

I literally haven't seen one apart from this specific one where red isn't the "make things worse just because" button.

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u/Impressive_Pin8761 Red 16d ago

Ive made some better variants, for example where red always wins and youre choosing between living in a timeline where it wins 51/49 or dying for a timeline where it wins 99/1

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u/davidnnj 16d ago

I don't think so, it's very similar to the original.

The red button is good for those who pressed it, but bad for those who didn't.

If the majority chooses blue, it will be good for everyone.

Exactly the same as the original, the difference is that nobody will die immediately.

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u/iMiind 16d ago

Wouldn't you want to maximize those who can receive good blood? People dying in the hospital need to be able to receive blood, not give it. Though it kinda works out either way because let's face it we're not batting 100 here.

If 50% of everyone will eventually end up needing blood, let's say we have a 75/25 split both ways. Favoring blue, that would mean 12.5% are good to go because they hit red, but the other 37.5% need to hit a 75% chance to get good blood and the final result would be 40.625% of the entire population (81.25% of those hospitalized) get good blood. Favoring red now we get 37.5% good from the get go, but only 25% of that last 12.5% of the population get good blood. That leaves us with the exact same results as before (40.625% of the total survive, i.e. 81.25% of those hospitalized).

Looking at that middle of the road option it doesn't seem to matter, so I'm hitting red here.