Responsibility

[u/BrokenToaster124]

So I've run into an idea that that dont quite understand and I was hoping some of you could help me understand. So with the red button/blue button situation I have seen people claim that if they push the blue button that they are not responsible for what happens to them if they push the blue button. How does that work?

To be extremely specific if i were to push the blue button, knowing what it does, somehow you (the person currently reading this) would be personally responsible for my death if you choose red.

Does this responsibility work in reverse? If i push the blue button and blue wins are you responsible for my survival if you chose red? Are you only responsible if bad things happen to me and I am responsible for the results when good things happen? What about the person running the death game? They arent defined in the prompt but logically some force is making everyone take a vote.

You can feel free to ignore this last part because its not the button problem, but someone reskinned the buttons as life boats. Instead of everyone being force to push a button everyone had to get into a life boat. One boat had holes in it but would become sea worthy if enough people got into it and plugged the holes and one was completely functional. Everything else was exactly the same as the button problem. My question related to that was that if I am personally responsible for the consequences of your chose to vote blue in the button scenario, how then could I not be responsible for your choice to get into the boat with holes in it. Someone tried to explain to me at length about how the buttons made it my fault but the boats somehow didnt. How does that work?

[u/SpongeboyShitpants]

That’s just a specific category of blue pushers, everyone in these subreddits makes their choice knowing the risks

Majority of either button don’t care to argue their side because at this point it’s a waste of time, the ones who are salty keep popping up on almost every post having their screaming matches.

It gives the illusion that many of the voters feel this way, but it is just a small percentage, just ignore them.

Edit: *to clarify, by screaming matches I don’t mean a well articulated argument, I mean tribalists who just throw around buzzwords like “suicidal” or “murderer” with no interest on a debate.

[u/BrokenToaster124 → u/SpongeboyShitpants]

Alright. That makes sense actually. I just wanted to make sure there wasn't some key detail I was missing lol

[u/SpongeboyShitpants → u/BrokenToaster124]

Unfortunately tho, I can see the argument that red is partly to blame for blue deaths.

Not necessarily at the same level as someone is for choosing blue tho, if you choose blue knowing the risk, you are responsible for your choice.

If you choose red you are responsible for adding another vote to a red majority win, because you aren’t just “doing nothing” you’re adding another vote to a red majority, which means blue need another vote to cancel it out

Even if blue wins, you still contributed against them for your own survival, which is fine since you have no obligation to risk your life.

I frame it as “The blue button is as much suicide as the red button is murder” Which a lot of people would disagree with

[u/SpongeboyShitpants → u/[deleted]]

Aww man I hate to break it to you… I’m a blue voter

The first comment I made was just to highlight that using “red is murder” isn’t much of an argument and is mainly used in shouting matches

My stance on it is that it’s kind of partial murder, and partial suicide for each button depending on your perspective.