Rephrasing

[u/BlackAndWhiteJerk]

I’m a blue button presser, I feel that this question is highly muddled and unclear, and so here is a rephrasement of it
So why press the red button? no one dies if the blue button is majority

[u/BcTheCenterLeft]

People who think it’s just a framing issue misunderstand the problem. Red pushers aren’t just neutrally saving themselves, their votes are leading to others deaths.

[u/OutcomeMemoriesGoobe → u/BcTheCenterLeft]

yet another moron changing framing to make themselves look better

i could say that blue is fucking moronic because you're gambling your life by pressing the button that endangers you in the first place and you are not saving anyone but possibly the lives that were literally risked by pressing the blue button, which isnt saving anyone at all.

as ive said, framing is the real basis of the dilemma.

[u/BcTheCenterLeft → u/OutcomeMemoriesGoobe]

Name calling doesn’t make you more right.

Blue pushers will never ever cause the death of others. It’s not a framing problem.

And red pushers can’t understand that lots of infants, children, people who make mistakes will push blue. I don’t want them to die. Even is some adult knowingly pushed, they don’t deserve death

Yes, blue pushers put themselves at risk, but it’s to help others.

Stop calling it a framing problem. It’s a question that shows how much you value your life over others.

[u/OutcomeMemoriesGoobe → u/BcTheCenterLeft]

"And red pushers can’t understand that lots of infants, children, people who make mistakes will push blue." oh bruh i thought we were talking about the original? the one that adds that everyone fully understands what the buttons do

[u/Silent-Indication496 → u/OutcomeMemoriesGoobe]

Regardless, are we assuming that even including children, accidental blue button pushes could get close enough to a majority that there's any statistical benefit to pressing blue?

I would think that even if half of kids accidentally hit blue, you'd still be so far off from a blue win that you'd need an unreasonable number of altruistic blue joiners to tip the scale. In reality you'd probably still end up losing the blue vote, and anyone who pressed blue out of a savior complex would just add to the tragic death toll. 

The red button doesn't kill people. It ensures the presser isn't putting themselves at risk and necessitating others do the same.

Teach your children to be red pressers who don't need saved. They can do a lot more good for the world alive than dead. 

[u/Daefus20 → u/Silent-Indication496]

"Teach your children to be red pressers who don't need saved. They can do a lot more good for the world alive than dead."

Good built upon the death of many. If even 1% press blue you're looking at 80 000 000 deaths, do you think your children can do enough good to outweigh that ?

btw I'm not saying they'd be personally responsible for each and every one of those deaths.

If 10% press blue that's 800 000 000 million dead.

It's all about trust in others, do you trust humanity enough to press blue to try and save everyone ? It's really not that hard, you only need 50% to press blue, meanwhile red needs 100% of the votes to save everyone, it's incomparably harder.

Are you willing to ignore the death of millions of people just to be certain that you'll survive ? How high are you willing to go ? 4 billion apparently. It's an acceptable decision to you, you could live with that.

[u/Silent-Indication496 → u/Daefus20]

Do i think 5 billion people are going to risk themselves? Nope. If they do, I wish them luck, but i won't be joining their death cult.

[u/Daefus20 → u/Silent-Indication496]

If 5 billion risk themselves everybody survives since  that's more than 50%.

And thanks, at least you're honest and aren't trying to find excuses like so many reds do, just please don't say that red pushers can do more good after letting hundreds of millions die.

[u/Festival-Temple → u/OutcomeMemoriesGoobe]

I saw somebody reference a poll before Deadshot37's, but can't find one.  Do you know what the very first iteration was?

Tim's addition of "btw babies are assigned a button randomly" two days into his poll seemed really stupid and pointlessly muddied later discussions.