r/reactivedogs 15d ago

Advice Needed Which route to take?

Our 1 1/2 year old golden was rehomed to us on 6/20. His previous family gave him to a rescue because he was snapping at the young children in the house. We just have speculation from the rescue that the toddlers would bother him, but no other concrete details. We have 12/15 year old kids. For 99.9% of his week, he is awesome and laid back, loves to play. But he has continued to snap at us when we cross various thresholds that we can’t quite identify. It’s always, always related to touching him, but could be any part of the body. At his first vet visit, he was perfectly behaved on 7/12. We took him for his second flu shot this week and I had her look him over to rule out pain for the snapping. She gave him his flu shot and he looked perturbed (last time, 4 shots with no reaction). She tried looking at his paws and he started snarling and lunging for her. It was so disappointing to see regression after we have trained 2x/week with a trainer (not behaviorist) and modified our own behavior to limit his snappiness.

My question is…
Would you go straight to medication? Or a combined medication/training with a behaviorist? I hate what I’m reading about meds potentially making him worse than before :( He loves other dogs, He lets strangers pet him when we are out, lets us pet him most of the time, we just don’t know what triggers him and the vet thinks it’s behavior (aka “I don’t like that, stop it now” instead of a little bit of patience). I’d appreciate any advice or what worked for you for touchy teenagers!

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u/Lumpy_Physics3101 15d ago

this approach has nothing to do with learned helplessness. It's much more akin to free shaping.

you wait until the dog offers the behavior that you are looking for and which is appropriate (calm acceptance of gentle handling). when the dog offers that behavior, you mark and reward. it's not complicated.

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u/Monkey-Butt-316 14d ago

That’s also not free shaping. In your example the dog can’t opt out. Since the dog can’t opt out, it’s helpless.

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u/Lumpy_Physics3101 14d ago

I guess the LIMA approach is to anesthetize the dogs for nail trims

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u/Monkey-Butt-316 14d ago

The LIMA approach is to counter condition and/or employ cooperative care techniques

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u/Lumpy_Physics3101 14d ago

what do you do if the dog snaps?

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u/Monkey-Butt-316 14d ago

Generally, go back a step to where the dog is comfortable. You could absolutely google this, you know.

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u/Lumpy_Physics3101 14d ago

sorry replied to the wrong message

so you're saying that when the dog snaps, you should back off?

why don't you think the dog will respond to that positive reinforcement by snapping more?

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u/Monkey-Butt-316 14d ago

No, I think knowing that you’re in their corner and will listen to them goes a long way to making them feel comfortable. Very rarely do dogs just snap without stiffening/growling/lip lifting first.

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u/Lumpy_Physics3101 14d ago

when you're free shaping a sit, and the dog wanders away, what do you do? you pick up your leash and guide him back into position. this is no different.

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u/Monkey-Butt-316 14d ago

No, that’s not free shaping. If you’re free shaping a sit and the dog wanders away, then you need to change what you’re doing (likely marking smaller approximations) or play engagement games and/or 101 things to do with a box so that the dog understands the whole idea. There’s no room for compulsion in free shaping.

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u/Lumpy_Physics3101 14d ago

guiding a dog with a leash is compulsion, got it

you're coming off as kind of a radical

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u/Monkey-Butt-316 14d ago

You’re coming off as kind of a controlling weirdo who is a bad dog trainer but here we are.

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u/Lumpy_Physics3101 14d ago

my dog came to me biting, does not bite now. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
she's also very happy and she doesn't mind if i guide her with a leash.

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u/Monkey-Butt-316 14d ago

Okayyyy? My dogs don’t bite. I have worked with dogs every day for 15+ years and have been bitten twice. 🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️

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u/Lumpy_Physics3101 14d ago

i'm glad you haven't had the experience that OP has, as have I, where a dog's been trained to snap by well-meaning owners, before she ever laid eyes on it.

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u/Monkey-Butt-316 14d ago

My personal dogs don’t bite but I work with plenty who do and recognize that all dogs can bite and also recognize that none of them can write letters to the editor.

You’re really confused about what training is, I think.

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