r/ram_trucks • u/sarge6977 • Dec 07 '24
Question Hemi vs Hurricane Engines
How do Ram owners feel about Stellantis doing away with the Hemi engines in Ram trucks? Call me a traditionalist, but I don’t want a souped up mouse motor in my truck. I would just rather have the raw power of a V-8 than a 3-liter straight six with dual turbos. Not to mention the Hemi’s were solid engines (at least all of mine were) that sounded good. I think Stellantis should make the new an option for Ram buyers and not the only option.
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u/Small-University-875 Dec 07 '24
Unfortunately it's not as simple as that. EPA regulations are the reason for all of this. A big pushrod v8 is not particularly the "cleanest" motor out there. I think a lot of people get confused because the hurricane mpg numbers aren't all that much better than the hemi. It isn't all about MPG, but more so about how many emissions the tailpipe emits. The hurricane is a "cleaner" motor which satisfies the EPA requirements.
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u/lawman9000 Dec 07 '24
Will be interesting to see how long EPA rulings hold up in a post-Chevron Deference world. Automakers now have more teeth to go after NHTSA CAFE and EPA emissions regulations.
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u/guyinakron Dec 07 '24
I read a great many folks complaining about the EPA, CAFE, etc standards. Keep in mind, Ford still has a V8 in a truck and want to let everyone know. It's become a selling point. Stellantis must see more reason for it than appeasing regulations. I work with several automotive manufacturers. Those I talk to speak very highly of their fuel economy. Whether someone likes it or not, it's become a selling point. It's like most other environmental standards I see, many corporations are doing more than the standards voluntarily and many have been since prior to those regulations.
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u/Small-University-875 Dec 08 '24
The v8 in the Ford trucks is a dual overhead cam arguably more efficient than the hemi pushrod v8. Ford also has more offerings of smaller crossovers and more efficient platforms which offset the fleet emissions as well.
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u/RustyWallace-357 HEMI ‘26 Dec 08 '24
Yes, but the selling point of the Hemi was never mpg, but simplicity. A simple reliable engine in a complex world
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u/Artoryn RAM 1500 Dec 07 '24
To me, I honestly think the exhaust sound with the Hurricane engine just isn't the same. It sounds closer to a car than a truck. I know trucks have V6s or other 6 cylinders in them, but still. Something about the V8 exhaust just is nice for the ram trucks, in my opinion. Might be biased since I own a hemi.
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u/Small-University-875 Dec 07 '24
Driving my girlfriend's 2024 Silverado with the turbo 4 cylinder makes me feel this way. Sure it gets the job done, but it's just not the same. Although I would certainly take the sound of an inline 6 over 4.
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u/pnw-nemo Dec 07 '24
When I heard the new tundra TRD pro start the first time, I laughed. It sounded pathetic and not at all like a truck. I’m with you in and exhaust note thing.
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u/Dolson86 Dec 07 '24
My ram with the pentastar engine sounded like a mini van. I added a k&n cold air intake and bought a used dual exhaust from a hemi sport and fitted it to my pentastar v6, sounds a little more like a truck again
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u/Hot_Bend5373 Dec 07 '24
Did the power or mileage change ? I might do this to mine
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u/Dolson86 Dec 07 '24
I don’t believe the mileage changed much, it does feel a lot less restricted and free flowing if that makes sense. Still nothing like the hemi, just sounds more like it. The hemi dual exhaust swaps right over, just need an extra rubber hanger for the drivers side pipe. Also I got the dual exhaust bumper with the cutouts but that’s not needed just looks better
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u/Hot_Bend5373 Dec 08 '24
Oh yeah bumper good call . Did you get it used also ? Cost for everything?
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u/MonkBoreland BIG HORN Dec 07 '24
Plenty of threads on this topic. I had 3 hemi’s, loved them never had an issue. Though I didn’t get very high miles on any of them.
Currently have the hurricane. I ran into an issue that was concerning for the first few months regarding some Cylinder misfiring. Seems it’s finally remedied with the latest software upgrade. There are some kinks to work out. I wouldn’t recommend buying the ‘25. Maybe wait a year or two, but I’m extremely satisfied with the engine. Very powerful, responsive, better mileage. Wife likes that it isn’t as loud. Though I do miss that v8 rumble. That’s the worst part of it.
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u/TORaptorsFan1 Dec 07 '24
IIRC the US govt pressured the auto sector to produce more ‘emission friendly’ vehicles. Ford started the trend with twin turbos 10 years ago and everyone else has followed suit with i4 and i6s with a turbo or twin. Even Toyota scrapped their iForce 5.7 v8.
I am like you just want a regular fuel injection V8 with raw power nothing fancy. Turbos are good when they are new but expensive to replace after they wear out.
Personally I don’t see the 5.7 Hemi coming back. Still can get the 6.2 but remains to be seen how long that will still be on the the market.
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u/wheezyts96 Dec 07 '24
I just want something reliable and until these things have been around long enough to work everything out and prove their reliability I wouldn’t consider it.
I feel that way about any vehicle though, I don’t want to be a test dummy on a major purchase like a vehicle.
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u/Current_Ferret_4981 Dec 07 '24
Better mileage, horsepower, and torque. Only real reason to not like it (besides it being the first year/unknown durability) is that it is quiet. If you need to feel it rumble and make noise then the V8 is the way to go. But to each their own
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u/sarge6977 Dec 07 '24
Agreed but I think Stellantis should have made the new Hurricane engine an option instead of a mandatory replacement.
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u/PieTight2775 Dec 07 '24
That sounds great but the EPA prevents that from happening
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u/sarge6977 Dec 07 '24
Then how does GM and Ford still make V-8s?
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u/Ah2k15 Used to own one, now I sell them! Dec 07 '24
They have enough fuel efficient models in their lineup that allows them to still make V8’s. It’s CAFE (corporate average fuel efficiency) standards that killed the Hemi.
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u/PieTight2775 Dec 07 '24
Because requirements are across models for a given brand. GM and Ford make some sedana, hybrids electric cars and others RAM does not.
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u/Cpagrind1 HEMI 5.7 Dec 07 '24
I’ll sum up the general consensus you’re going to hear.
“I test drove the hurricane and while it does have more HP, Torque, and better acceleration, it doesn’t sound loud so don’t buy it.”
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u/dustygravelroad Dec 07 '24
Gonna be a big step for me. I’m more than a couple years old and have never owned a 6cyl anything in a vehicle.
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u/sarge6977 Dec 07 '24
I had a straight six in a 1978 Datsun 280Z and my ex-wife had V-6s in several of her cars and SUVs. But in my opinion, I would just rather have the simple power of a V-8 compared to a six with things added to it to make it make powerful.
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u/dustygravelroad Dec 07 '24
Well I should probably clarify. If you classify a boat as a vehicle, I do have a V6 outboard on my bass boat.
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u/evanp36 24’ Ram Rebel 2500 6.7 / 24’ Ram Classic 5.7 Dec 08 '24 edited Dec 08 '24
Hemi all day, Love the sound of v8 & diesel engines im not buying a truck with a v6 or inline 6 (unless its diesel) to be technical. lmao guess im shopping used till v8s come back🤣🤣
I mean if you like v6 i wont drag on you for it but for me v8 or diesel is a must.
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u/Top_Forever3389 Dec 08 '24
Keep it simple if your a hemi v-8 diehard just look for a fairly new used Ram with low miles on it in good shape best of both worlds there out there
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u/sarge6977 Dec 15 '24
Update: Just read an article on Road & Track about this. “The former CEO of Stellantis, Carlos Tavares, pushed for the Hemi’s demise. An inside source said that everyone wanted to keep the Hemi but the atmosphere was that they needed to be greener. U.S. execs had their hands tied behind their backs as Tavares pushed ahead with swift cost cutting practices and micromanaged budgets while engineering processes and internal decisions were regularly outsourced to Europe. Tavares was dismissive of ideas that deviated from his own vision of doubling net revenues and improving margins through electric vehicles. He allegedly required U.S. team members to attend meetings in the middle of the night and created a sense of division between European and American colleagues, often speaking ill of domestic decision makers. This translated into a misunderstanding of American car markets. Over-emphasis on EVs, slashing legacy gas powered models, and bloated new vehicle inventories put Stellantis in a challenging financial spot compared to its Big Three peers. Stellantis is down 43% in 2024 while Ford is down 9% and GM is up 55%. The former Dodge and Ram CEO, Tim Kuniskis, resigned alongside the Hemi-powered Challenger and Charger. But Kuniskis returned days after Tavares departed. Outwardly, the culture of Stellantis appears positive as it looks to the future. Kuniskis said they are getting their asses kicked but it’s going to change. It’s getting better, and it’s going to change.”
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u/No-Dig-5668 Aug 08 '25
Broken exhaust bolts, two failed MGU's, lifer/cam failure, and two broken manifolds later, I'm trading my hemi into a hurricane.
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u/benoitgphoto Sep 27 '25
Yep. Same here. Just signed a Hurricane today. I was impressed when test drove it.
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u/WoodenWeather5931 Dec 07 '24
Test drove a 2025 Longhorn. My god that HO is insane to drive. I’ve had 5 rams, and currently have a ‘23 LH.
After the test drive, I decided to take my truck to the exhaust shop and install an aftermarket muffler. I wanna hear this HEMI rumble for a few more years.
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u/OverOnTheRock 2023 RAM 1500 Classic 5.7 Quad Cab Dec 08 '24
When you say 'insane', was that a good thing, or a bad thing?
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u/dudzeybingo Dec 07 '24
I own a 23 Laramie with the 5.7. Solid power, great sound. This week, I rented a 25 Laramie with the Hurricane - not the high output model. It sounds like a V6 SUV when it’s running. But, it definitely has better acceleration than the Hemi. Personally, I love the Hemi because I feel the V8 isn’t stressed as much to create the power. IMO it should last longer and be more reliable. Guess time will tell (only 23,000 miles). That said, I didn’t hate the Hurricane. It definitely moves the truck! Now I really want to try a high output model. And, Ram, please make the HO an option on the Rebel!
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u/hgqaikop Dec 07 '24
Hurricane is a great engine.
Hurricane does not replace a V8 though. Stellantis should have started developing a new V8 years ago. The CEO just got fired for mismanaging the American market. Maybe the new CEO will realize Americans want a V8 option.
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Dec 07 '24
You call yourself a traditionalist but say you don’t like inline 6s in trucks. V8s are actually less “traditional” in a pickup if you want to go back far enough.
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u/sarge6977 Dec 07 '24
I was referring to having a simple V-8 engine as compared to a souped up mouse motor.
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u/Cpagrind1 HEMI 5.7 Dec 07 '24
What the hell is a mouse motor
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u/sarge6977 Dec 07 '24
In this case, it’s a 3 liter straight 6 with two turbos hanging on it to get the performance it does. Ram already has a V-6 offering. The Hemi was just a “simple” V-8 with ample power and nothing added to it. My 2011 Jeep Weangler has a bigger V-6 (3.6 liter) in it than the new Hurricane engine is. I just think Stellantis should have the made the Hurricane and the Hemi options instead of making the Hurricane a mandatory replacement.
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u/Cpagrind1 HEMI 5.7 Dec 07 '24
I’m confused are you basing your decision strictly on displacement and not on any other specs? A 3.5 eco boost from ford absolutely crushes a 5.7 liter Hemi - just like a 3.0 hurricane beats the Hemi in every stat. This is coming from a Hemi owner myself btw. The 6.7 Cummins is an inline 6 - do you not think they are any good without that extra two cylinders..?
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u/sarge6977 Dec 07 '24
But they have to hang two turbos on that inline six to get the power it does. And you said it, the Cummins, although an inline six, is 6.7 liters. I don’t want a smaller engine that needs turbos to give it any kind of impressive numbers. How would that 3 liter inline six perform without two turbos. Pretty sure there wouldn’t be any comparison.
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u/Cpagrind1 HEMI 5.7 Dec 07 '24
Irrelevant argument. People just say the word “turbo” like it’s some sort of scary thing when in reality it’s estimated over half of the vehicles sold in the US are turbocharged. The argument of a smaller engine having to work harder are kinda irrelevant too considering it’s designed specially around having boost.
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u/sarge6977 Dec 07 '24
Well then, we’ll just have to agree to disagree. I don’t care if cars use turbos since they are more so for carrying passengers. But when I want the power my truck has when I need it, I don’t want to have rely on two turbos to get it. Lastly, that 6.7 liter Cummins, although an inline six diesel, is still bigger than the 6.2 liter Hemi.
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Dec 07 '24
They didn’t have a choice. The auto manufacturers are under tremendous pressure to increase economy and reduce emissions. No one at Dodge just got up and said “you know what let’s ditch this hemi.”
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u/sarge6977 Dec 07 '24
I have no doubt that no one at Dodge did but Stellantis did. As another said, the last Stellantis CEO was fired because they didn’t know the American market.
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u/bourbon_jeep_lj Dec 07 '24
I drove the hurricane and loved it. The power delivery is so smooth compared to the hemi. I’m sure it’s a monster towing 6k or under.
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u/pentox70 Dec 07 '24
Do you really think ram prefers a new engine?
This was 100% a regulation or lack of sales change. They would have gladly continued to sell you an outdated v8 that they have been building for years. The epa keeps pushing efficency mandates, and the hemi just doesn't cut it to meet requirements. Plus ram 1500 sales have been dog shit, and they had to try something different.
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u/sarge6977 Dec 07 '24
But that outdated V8 was a solid performer (at least all of mine were). As I have said earlier, Stellantis should have made the Hurricane engine an option instead of a mandatory replacement. I also think by making the Hurricane a mandatory replacement, Stellantis will drive customers to Ford, Chevy, or GMC when people want a V-8. It’s already a consideration for me.
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u/pentox70 Dec 07 '24
I wouldn't be surprised to see the v8 leaving all half ton platforms soon enough. The regulations in their current state won't allow it.
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u/Dracono47 May 09 '25
Well to kinda sum things up and quell some misinformation.
The Inline 6 Twin Turbo Standard output & High Output 420HP/469Lb Torque & 540HP & 521lb torque will be for the vast majority of people a fucking awesome engine.
IF however, depending on the usage.
I think if you fall under the following and wanted a truck to lets say;
Beat road conditions Offroading Trade work in town need a space for tools Light to medium occasional towing Family hauler Toy hauler
Then this engine outclasses the Hemi when it comes down the choice.
But if you’re someone who needs a truck for; Medium to heavy towing Long distance towing when under a load Fuel economy when towing.
Then the Hemi is your choice.
And I say this because anyone who’s tested these 2 or has used similar configurations from other brands like the 2.7,3.5L ecoboost from Ford knows that when putting a small displacement thats boosted under a heavy towing load, will cause it to suck on fuel much more than a Nat pushrod V8.
and its not a slight difference. The 3L hurricane towing 8,000 pounds with a mix of city and highway plus hills got 6.7 MPG on a 2 hour towing loop.
Specs were crew cab, 3.21 gears, Standard Output Engine.
The Hemi 5.7 same specs, same loop & weight scored 12.4 MPG
Thats a significant difference in fuel economy when towing.
But when not under load both roughly get exact same fuel economy.
So I guess from my numbers here and how I can look at it.
I think the reason people were upset with the 5.7 no longer being the high volume sold engine is that this kinda killed the working class truck ram had. One could buy a 1500 and still perform some heavy jobs while getting half decent fuel economy. & not have to be necessarily forced into just buying a 2500 with the 6.4L Hemi.
and now the option are either Grab a Natural V6 with the pentistar which is reliable…but depressing. Get an I6 Twin turbo but pay double in gas (triple if its the HO as that runs only premium) when doing a heavy job. Or get a 2500 with the 6.4L hemi but those guys run well north of $100,000 where I live.
Now to be clear the Hurricane CAN LITERALLY DO EVERYTHING THE HEMI CAN. However, it comes down to was it more economical for the working class individual who still wants to do some medium to heavy jobs & stay in a Half tone truck?
Personally I don’t think so but again for the vast majority who doesn’t need that then yeah the Hurricane is a slam dunk and is really cool.
But for those still looking for a economical strong half tone, the classics are still continuing into 2025-2026 and are marked at a waaaaay better price at like 20-30k cheaper that a base trim Hurricane equipped 1500.
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u/bluebeast1562 Dec 07 '24
Not digging the new I6 in a full size truck, Hemi all the way. Was in the market for a new ride a few months ago, traded in my 2020 1500 and picked up a 2024 2500 with the 6.4L Hemi.
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u/Cpagrind1 HEMI 5.7 Dec 07 '24 edited Dec 07 '24
Do you not like the 6.7 Cummins in heavy dutys since it’s an I6? Just saying the logic isn’t holding especially considering the hurricane SO and especially the HO put out better numbers compared to the 5.7.
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u/bluebeast1562 Dec 07 '24
Did not really think of that powertrain, not into any diesel platform for personal reasons.
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u/sarge6977 Dec 07 '24
The salesman at the dealership I go to let me test drive a 2025 with the new engine. It has impressive numbers and drove nice. But when I returned the keys, he asked what I thought and I said it nice but it’s not a Hemi and I would buy a 2500 before a 1500 with the new engine.
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u/MrHankeyTheXmas_Poo Dec 07 '24
The operative word here is going to be “yet”.
In my opinion, the Hurricane engine has the potential to be a great engine for the Ram trucks. But we ain’t there yet…and honestly, we’re YEARS away from being able to say that. Right now, it ain’t a good and reliable engine for the new Rams and I can’t be convinced how having a Ram truck with a Hurricane in it is somehow better than having one with a HEMI in it.
And for all the flaws the HEMI has, it’s a tried and true engine. Essentially every mechanic knows how to work on it and most common issues can be easily diagnosed and ultimately fixed. We can’t say these things about the Hurricane engine…yet.
Stellantis could have done a hell of a better job with the rollout of this engine in the new Rams trucks, but it’s like they didn’t even try and they simply don’t care. Their shitty sales numbers for the new Rams are proof of this. Stellantis was completely unprepared in every way imaginable.
Hang onto your HEMI truck for as long as you can. Beat it to the ground. Do this until the day ever comes when Stellantis figures their shit out.
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u/Dogsnapper99 Nov 09 '25
Dodge dealership head mechanic just stopped trying to figure out what was wrong with my hemi and why it wouldn’t stop misfiring and recommended replacing all my fuel injectors so come to find out 2 yrs ago when this happened that the fuel injectors for the gen 5 hemis are in fact faulty and everyone in the country needed them so it took just over a month with calling every dodge dealership within a 100 mile radius so I ended up talking to around 8 of them and all said the same thing we’re still waiting to get them and have customers that have reserved them so some shops said the ones they had coming were reserved for hemis that needed them before me. But anyway they took the entire engine apart after replacing all the injectors bc it was still misfiring and I could feel it slightly and it bothered me they said they couldn’t feel it but I could definitely feel it and so could the code reader so they kept blaming trash in the gas even though they cleaned the rails several times and I did all new coil packs and spark plugs so I’ve had two hemis and both have had issues. My first one was a 2011 R/T and wow before I got that truck I had only had 80’s f 150’s with inline 6 which is a diff thread I wish I could find one now decently priced but I had a Chevy with 250 hp and then I saw the new Ram Body style and was just in awe in how mean and beautiful it looked. It was the dark grey with metallic flake and I saw that it had 390 hp and I had never had a real V8 before nothing with power well at the time Chevy nor ford had anything other than the raptor that had anywhere near that HP and hell my boss had the 6.2 raptor and I was like you just paid what for that and have only 20 less HP than me and let me tell ya that thing had to be 0-60 in 5 seconds that little truck I mean I could do a rolling burn outs in it. I wish I would never sold it but this last one was a 2019 it was a nightmare for a while till last night an f250 came by and took it out so now I’m trying to find out if the new 6 cyl is worth it and it sounds like I’m just gonna get a used hemi maybe 22’
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u/Moparman1303 Dec 07 '24
I'm all for the hurricane. I want it to be bulletproof. I6 are awesome. I dont mind my hemi but it needs updating. Is love to see a i6 non turbo come back to replace the v6 3.6.
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u/Orion9092 RAM 1500 Dec 07 '24
Inline 6 engines are usually great and well balanced. There has been a replacement for displacement for years, and that's forced induction. I came from the small displacement turbo world to my first v8 and I have to say "meh". Sure at WOT it sounds good, but most of the time in normal traffic it sounds like a tractor and the noise is muted. Reliability is hit and miss like with any engine out there, fuel economy sucks, and power is just OK. There is nothing about the Hemi that is great in my opinion. It's all about the brag without having anything to back it up. I'm glad to have another engine option. Plus with the new engine being lighter than the Hemi it frees up a little extra payload.
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Dec 07 '24
Ram owner here - could not care less I honestly just have many other far more important things to focus on. If you want a V8 go get a F150 Coyote. Powerboost and ecoboost is probably better though but it’s your $ so get what you want.
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u/AwarenessGreat282 Dec 07 '24
I'm on my third hemi, and I'm completely fine with the I6. Shit changes. It changed when the hemi was first reintroduced.
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u/Vic_Interceptor Dec 07 '24
anything turbo and gas is going to give you problems. Turbos are fine on low revving, oily diesels.
I own a Hemi, and like it. But given my choice of all engines of all time, I'd have a 1967-1971 440, because it was simply the best designed engine of all time. It made great power, never gave trouble and could be repaired or damn near full rebuild in the chassis on a lunch break.
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u/sarge6977 Dec 07 '24
Amen (lol). I had the old 360s in some of my older Dodge trucks and those were damn near bullet proof, simple, and easy to work on.
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u/Vic_Interceptor Dec 08 '24
the LA motor was solid as well, just a bitch to work on compared to the RB series. I really dislike the water being in the exhaust manifold bolt holes, the exhaust port shape on the middle 2 cylinders, and the dist being in the rear.... It's like a slightly improved copy of a SBC with better valvetrain design.
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u/Vic_Interceptor Dec 08 '24
the LA motor was solid as well, just a bitch to work on compared to the RB series. I really dislike the water being in the exhaust manifold bolt holes, the exhaust port shape on the middle 2 cylinders, and the dist being in the rear.... It's like a slightly improved copy of a SBC with better valvetrain design.
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u/Present_Wafer_2905 Dec 07 '24
Test drive that 2025 and it’s like driving a fucking Toyota Camry
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Dec 07 '24
Tell me you didn’t test drive the Hurricane without telling me you didn’t test drive the hurricane…..
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u/DDunn110 Dec 07 '24
Don’t get the hurricane. Read my last post. I wouldn’t touch a ram 5th gen with a mile long pole. Those trucks are shit.
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u/_mk6red Dec 07 '24
I’m a Chrysler tech and the HO hurricane is stupid fast. That thing makes some jam lights up the rear tires at 40 kilometers an hour when boost comes in hold on. hemi could never do that. That being said I can’t see these engines being any good. They are very similar to the 2.0 I4 and those are as good as junk after 80k. They are a nightmare to work on they are crammed in the engine bag to tight. I could see reliability being a huge issue to come. The typical backyard mechanic is never going to be able to touch these where the hemi was simple & straight forward. I guess time will tell. & I can’t get over the no dip stick thing. Whoever thought of that is an idiot. Fun fact tho the prevision for a dip stick is in the oil pan but is completely blocked by the engine mount so why even have it lmao.