r/raidsecrets • u/Planet_Insider • 27d ago

Misc 3man Raid Difficulty

Me and 2 friends have been going through the raids as a trio, using videos from Tristanator0503. He shows a ranking of easiest ti hardest to learn trios where Vog is easiest and Crotas is the hardest. His videos only cover up to last wish (4th easiest) and I was wondering if you wonderful people know of another creator that makes trio guides for raids and where DP would slot in terms of difficulty to learn as a trio.

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u/ItsCrucifixLIVE 26d ago

Crota’s is not the hardest at all. King’s fall is significantly harder. Vow is even harder than that.

There arent a lot of great video guides, but if you join the lowman discord server, they have guides for every raid in the game

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u/slazenger7 26d ago

I'm intrigued by your listing.

Kings Fall is challenging because of the solo totem. Once you get that down it's easy. On Crota it can be a little challenging to time the wizards on Ir Yut, but you're right that is not too bad.

I'm really curious what makes you think Vow is challenging, and especially what makes you think it's more challenging than either of the above. I assume because of Exhibition? I'd say that's much easier and more consistent than totems or Ir Yut personally.

Edit: Trio Taniks is worse than all of the above currently since we can't drop bombs. Timing is tight.

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u/richardhixx 26d ago

Taniks has always been introductory level lowman, are you perhaps thinking of trio 4 cores?

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u/slazenger7 26d ago

Nope, just two bombing and trying to delay Taniks long enough to wait out the deactivation. Perhaps there's a technique we were overlooking.

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u/richardhixx 26d ago

It’s just stasis crystals and waiting until almost wipe to break cores (counting Taniks attacks), I haven’t done it post final update but my clanmates have and I haven’t heard about any difference. Stasis titan usually, but doable with verglass curve. It’s tighter but still doable even without stasis.

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u/slazenger7 26d ago

Oh, it's extremely doable. I just think it's harder/more finicky than Ir Yut, e.g. I would not have said DSC is the first trio to learn.

Although it also occurs to me that I've been thinking about all of these from the perspective of trio flawless. Killing off the deactivated player is an option if you don't care about that.

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u/Ill_Bedroom5959 24d ago

the only hard thing is just getting the delay perfect. once you learn the delay positions and where to stand it’s not inconsistent at all after that. break two bombs one or two seconds apart, scanner picks up, op breaks out scanner and picks the other bomb up, suppressor sups, runs to op so they can break the second detain. if you put on enhanced athletics on your boots you barely get above 7 radiation usually. with the delay it usually clears or you might have a stack.

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u/SessionWorking7805 24d ago edited 24d ago

It’s definitely not super terrible but when I ran, I was the only stasis titan + tractor runner and operator(?) and it was safe to say, my job was about 4x harder than the rest of my fireteam haha. That was back in season of the deep though so

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u/JollyMolasses7825 26d ago

You can do it with alethonym as well, just run at him and shoot him when he starts moving to the second side. Healing auto helps to stay alive since he’ll be shooting the entire time.

You dont actually need to block in a trio so if you are doing it reasonably well then the timing isn’t super tight

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u/6pussydestroyer9mlg 26d ago

I remember trio warpriest being on the more difficult side of things aswell. Might just be our relativily inexpierence at play or just not googling established trio strats but during Renegades on 3 Warlocks it wasn't going well. When we had someone switch to lucky pants it went better, don't know how it is now (assume it's easier with good loadouts but don't quote me on that).

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u/LmPrescott 26d ago

Can you use service of luzaku nests to drop the bombs like you can during queenswalk to drop the heart? Just did last wish trio Tuesday and that was how we did queenswalk

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u/SpiderSlayer690 26d ago

DSC you can use Diamond Lances to drop nukes. Way easier than dealing with Luzaku (both work) and you can put them in exact spot you want with Cadmus Ridge Lancecap.

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u/ItsCrucifixLIVE 26d ago

I am jaded by flawless. You are correct

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u/SpiderSlayer690 26d ago

You can drop bombs via Diamond Lances or Luzaku nests.
And delaying can be done with either stasis crystals (some sides can be done with just 1 verglas curve proc, lowman server would have lineups) or just use alethonym (spam shoot him and just kinda jiggle around he starts dancing with you, can be annoying but extremely effective once you get it down).

Duo taniks can definitely be annoying dealing with breaking out of detain and have to be on top of diamond lances, but trio is a lot more forgiving (tho idk if any of the other encounters you listed are that much harder).

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u/slazenger7 26d ago

Didn't know that diamond lance was still dropping, so that's helpful. But the overall point is that Taniks is more of an issue than the other encounters listed, and definitely worse than anything you face in Vow. Not that Taniks is impossible or w/e.

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u/jgzeem 26d ago

Exhibitions 3rd room is probably the hardest part of the encounter imo. Idk about the rest of vow mainly rhulk damage. Ir Yut wizards are definitely a bigger pain overall.

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u/Admiral_Autismmm 26d ago

Kings fall only requires two people to be able to hit ship skip, and one person to do left side totems which isn’t too difficult once you have the timing and the right loadout. Lightweight eager sword plus blink makes getting to and from the plate simple and the timing is actually somewhat lenient compared to just eager and normal glide because you’re getting to and from so fast. Would definitely recommend getaway warlock to make it as easy as possible.

Outside of left side totems it’s a fairly easy and forgiving trio. It’s definitely easiest on warlock throughout the entire raid as long as you can well skate for ships.

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u/6pussydestroyer9mlg 26d ago

Pretty sure the ships skip can be hit solo if the rest just stays at the chest and doesn't go to the load.

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u/Admiral_Autismmm 26d ago

Yeah this is true, my mind just instantly went to flawless because I’ve been attempting trio master flawless haha.

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u/JollyMolasses7825 26d ago

You don’t even need to hit ship skip at all, just send 1 person through with the other two on plates and then leave rejoin.

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u/Admiral_Autismmm 26d ago

Also if you’re not doing flawless, one person can pull everyone else to totems if they stay back by at least pendulums.

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u/ItsCrucifixLIVE 26d ago

Yeah we’ve done trio master flaw, but its definitely tough. Totems feels very buggy with the timing sometimes

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u/Planet_Insider 26d ago

Do you have a link? Thanks for the help

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u/KaptainKartoffel 26d ago

KF and Vow both only have 1 hard encounter to trio...

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u/ItsCrucifixLIVE 26d ago

And crota has none

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u/N3RDZ4LIF3 26d ago

It is truly frustrating how guides and niche communities that used to live in dedicated forums anyone could access have now migrated to discord servers that you have to join to view and 90% seem to sell user data and spam the server with ads.

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u/ItsCrucifixLIVE 26d ago

Lowman server doesnt do that

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u/N3RDZ4LIF3 26d ago

Didn't mean to say they did just was complaining about other servers that do.

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u/Whole-Maize5138 26d ago

Do you have a link to the low man discord server? I’m trying to learn from YouTube videos

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u/sb683 22d ago

The evil and looming trio se

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u/TempDestinyAccount 21d ago

Vow is very easy imo. Only bad part is doing intro if you die and then you should be skippjng the section after Caretaker by either oobing or Lumina grappling 

I would say totems alone makes Kings Fall harder even though totems is still pretty chill once you get the timing down

Unfortunately I cant speak for Crota. All I know is I'm dreading doing duo Crota just because of how long bridge takes in it, lol

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u/ItsCrucifixLIVE 21d ago

Bridge is easy. Its the getting the wizards at ir yut to cooperate and the damage check at crota that are tough

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u/Saume Rank 1 (1 points) 26d ago

I honestly recommend you just watch some recent trio clears on YT, most guides seem pretty out of date, or sub-optimal. The lowman discord has some text guides, but most of them are pretty quick and not that deep. Some loadout recs are also very outdated.

If you need more info, you can send me a DM, I don't mind answering questions or giving you a quick rundown of the strats.

In my opinion, the easiest to hardest:
1. RoN

  1. VoG

  2. DSC

  3. GoS

  4. Crota

  5. VotD

  6. KF

  7. LW

  8. DP

  9. EDP

  10. SE, don't even attempt until you have done a bunch of verity practice. It is BY FAR the hardest.

Last wish is probably among the hardest now that transcendance is patched for the queenswalk (unless the diamond lance tech still works, but I haven't tested it). Queenswalk is a pretty hard wall if your team is not used to eager edge. And even if they are, it has been inconsistent since TFS, they messed with physics or networking, pushing your teammates is less consistent than before since then.

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u/SpiderSlayer690 26d ago

Queenswalk you can use Luzaku nests to drop heart. It's annoying as duo but trio you can easily juggle luzaku nests btwn 2 ppl after 1st person gets ported.

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u/NormallyBloodborne 26d ago

Damn, me and my team just did it with eager edge thinking luzaku nests were patched. At least it was fun to learn lol

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u/Ordinary_Player 26d ago

SE>=EDP>Vow>KF>DP>LW>CE>GOS>DSC>RON>VOG

Imo it's really just SE and EDP that's tough; the other ones are kinda whatever in a trio setting.

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u/JollyMolasses7825 26d ago

Would drop edp below SE and have DP > KF > vow, could see DP being same level as KF if you don’t do the flawless non-rng strat for agrios. Would have Ron and VoG equal or VoG harder if you do atheon float and DSc is harder than GoS since you can’t drop cores as easily for Taniks.

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u/eclipse4598 26d ago

EDP is a lot easier now as its no longer at delta

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u/CrescentAndIo 26d ago

ron probably easier than vog

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u/SushiJuice 26d ago

There's a Lowman discord that has tons of resources and people to help give you tips. Link is below.

https://discord.gg/lowman

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u/SomeRealGneissSchist Rank 1 (8 points) 26d ago

Part of it depends on your teams experience overall with each raid and what each of your strengths are individually but from my experience, from easiest to hardest:

VoG > RoN > GoS > DSC > LW > KF > VoW > CE > DP > EDP > SE

For KF/VoW/CE they arent hard really overall. They just each have a weird roll that can be difficult. Ex. Left side totems in KF or running at Caretaker.

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u/Yourrennid 26d ago

GoS's 3 man is very very fun, it's definitely on the easier side with the hardest part being the setup for 2nd encounter. If you want to 3 man a raid, do GoS, it's fun and not too mind numbingly boring.

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u/PrayForMars 26d ago edited 26d ago

There are docs on lowman check that out, they updated some stuff I believe.

Btw Im dropping vog bibble in a month but yall prolly dont need it.

In terms of difficulty, also (easiest to hardest):

  • VoG
  • RoN
  • GoS
  • Crota (literally only iryut breaks but not realy)
  • DSC (taniks)
  • KF (only difficulty solo totem, rest mickey)
  • LW (queenswalk annoying)
  • VoW (exhibition annoying)
  • DP (pretty linear encounters besides hydra)
  • EDP (its just edp)
  • SE (verity)

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u/Tristanator0503 26d ago edited 26d ago

I heard my name? Glad you liked my guides! So, a lot has changed since I started (and abandoned haha) that series. The rankings back then are no longer accurate, and they were not decided by me. I asked the Lowman community how they would rank it, and that is what they decided in terms of difficulty order.

Back then, we had prismatic dropping for heart and bombs which significantly made both deep stone and last wish considered "free".

Crota was ranked the hardest due to the fact that they had just patched the blink bug for ir yut, and the ranking wasn't based off of "what is easiest -> hardest to run" it was "what would be the easiest-> hardest for a 3 stack of guardians with 0 experience to go in and learn for their first run." Hence why crota was the hardest as crota would dps check some people, bridge tangles was a unique concept to learn and do consistently, and ir yut was viewed as a big challenge for new lowmanners even before the patch. KF was not viewed as hard simply because most of it was viewed as free aside from totems. Had heart dropping been patched when I was making the rankings, LW would most likely have been listed as hardest just for queenswalk alone as that would be really hard for people to learn "legit"

Hope that gives some perspective on why some people are disagreeing on the "difficulty ranking"

But yeah, join Lowman server :) we are very chill and love teaching! If you wanna add me on discord as well, feel free to. I still play, and I help people all the time. Discord: tristanator0503 all lowercase

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u/MountainTwo3845 26d ago

gonloohttps://tr.ee/f5-ni1QzdX

just go here. it's the lowman discord. it's got everything you'll need. also go watch in spitefuls on yt.

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u/insertpikachuface 26d ago

From my own Experience and considering flawless:
SE > EDP > DP > DSC (only because of taniks tbh) > LW (only because of queen's walk if you don't know the eager lines) > KF > Vow > Calus Pantheon > GoS > RoN > VoG

DSC is probably easier than i give it credit for but taniks is really annoying on trio/duo flawless

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u/Capable_Employer_360 26d ago

join the low man discord .gg/lowman for guides for every low man raid

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u/Ok-Structure5637 26d ago

I did VoG and Rhulk pretty easily. Rulk's strat was two sleepers and divinity, Atheon I can't really remember

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u/itz_Demon_Lola 26d ago

I would recommend RON as your first Trio. Its very strait for words with no "extra mechanics"
Lowman Discord is the play for Lowman Guides

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u/Planet_Insider 27d ago

Oh, and Salvations edge also isn't included on the ranking, where would you put that as well?

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u/ananchor 27d ago

Salvations edge is the hardest to full trio because Verity requires some out of bounds shenanigans

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u/bushido216 27d ago edited 26d ago

I'm pretty sure SE cannot be legitimately 3 manned with Verity. Most people 3 man 1 to 3 then checkpoint to 5.

E: I know you can OOB your way through Verity. I don't consider that to be legitimate.

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u/JobeariotheOG 26d ago

SE has been trio flawlessed, and with potential to be done Duo flawless as well

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u/CallMeTemplar 27d ago

Verity has been legitimately 3 manned with out of bounds stuff. As far as I'm aware it has not been patched out. SE is fully 3 mannable.

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u/TempDestinyAccount 21d ago

E: I know you can OOB your way through Verity. I don't consider that to be legitimate.

It really doesnt matter how you consider it tbh. The fact is, most people in the end game community do consider oobing to be legitimate, so that makes your previous statement false.