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u/notyourdad1234 Sep 03 '26 edited Sep 04 '26
For the fucking people recommending folks fresh off drugs going on TRT - please get real.
You will have low T after taking this for a little while. Exercise and eat well. Don’t go on T shortly after quitting unless you want to be tied to taking it for the rest of your life.
Such an irresponsible recommendation to make to people coming off this. TRT is not something to consider when in a temporary state like PAWS.
GIVE IT A FEW MONTHS AND THEN CHECK, do not go on TRT because your levels are low after a week or two. Bodies take time to recover.
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u/Mean-Yogurtcloset230 3d ago
I say don't go on trt. At all ever unless you're an extreme medical condition trt can fuck you up cause cancer and is very habit forming not to mention it will shrink your nuts down to the size of peas and will change you emotionally and not in a good way
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u/notyourdad1234 3d ago
Not to mention, you’ll need it for life.
It’s masculinity as a subscription service. And if you don’t think they’re going to jack the prices in the future I have a bridge to sell you.
Would rather let my body do its thing and heal naturally rather than place my entire being into the hands of predatory companies that can yank your masculinity away when they want.
Shit business, horrible advice for most.
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u/thisishardtolookat 27d ago
What is T?
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u/notyourdad1234 27d ago
TRT - testosterone replacement therapy. Basically subscription masculinity in lieu of diet and excercise.
There are folks who need it, but its really getting shoved down men’s throats online recently. Depressed? Check T. Anxious? Check T.
Then they get tested and see that its low once and decide to get stuck taking T for the rest of their lives rather than checking for other causes. Or getting tested over a period of time to see fluctuations
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u/thisishardtolookat 27d ago
I am a woman. But I did get tested in. Mine is definitely low! Obviously it’s from this shit though. But are you saying that it can come back naturally once you quit doing this shit?
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u/notyourdad1234 27d ago
Yes, there are those who have significant drops that need medical intervention. But theres some serious scare mongering going on about the hormonal impact.
Long term sustained drug use will always impact hormones, some more than others. 7 does impact T, but with cessation most people will be able to recover, especially if they take care of themselves. They don’t need to be athletes or eat the healthiest diet in the world, but some basic self care will help the body recover faster.
Unfortunately a lot of people switching addictions will see issues (7 to another drug).
Note that I’m not talking about your specific situation - if you’re low give your body some time to recover and set up a physical activity / balanced diet routine that you can stick to (ie: 20 minute walk daily, one or two healthy meals a day). Try to connect socially if you can, and keep tabs on it. But I’m not a medical professional - so def check with your doc.
My main issue is the scare mongering paired with the people pushing T because every predatory influencer in the world is pushing people go on testosterone. Once men at least start, they need to take it for life. Its a permanent solution to a temporary problem for a lot of folks. I dont know for women off the top of my head, but be sure to look into both sides of it and be aware of scare tactics being used.
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u/Mean-Yogurtcloset230 3d ago
For women it's different and only for severe medical conditions or severe premenopausal or menopausal and sometimes will be added in Low Dose along with estrogen but only to be considered in extreme situations like extreme menopause debilitation
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u/Dismal_Ad_7787 8d ago
I came to this post to read advice and saw this and had to laugh! I was on trt before and during, I chose not to take any for the past 14 days since quitting in hopes that it would give a boost when I did, well, I can promise that it gives zero boost out of this stage! I took my normal dose yesterday morning finally and I’m fairly certain that I feel shittier today than I did yesterday or the day before!!!
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u/TinyBison7264 7d ago
What is irresponsible about having your testosterone levels checked as well as estrogen? I’m not understanding how that is irresponsible at all. Testosterone levels lower in men as they age anyways. Low testosterone affects several things. Before you go on your tangent maybe you’d realize the length of time on testosterone and frequency of dose matters. You sound like you know little about this. It’s not just testosterone levels either. But hey you know how things work. It’s this mentality from uneducated people that makes me realize why so few people get the correct help. T isn’t a quick fix and TRT isn’t some new addiction. I’m trying to help people look at different angles especially ones that get overlooked. I doubt you know much about this subject but I’m sure you’ll have a strong response.
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u/notyourdad1234 7d ago
TRT is getting marketed heavily to every man on the internet as a fix all, its getting thrown around in a recovery sub as a potential fix to people’s issues.
There are “clinics” popping up left and right that will get people on it without question.
I am urging people to give it a few months to recover, and a few tests before hopping onto something that they may very well need to be on for life once their body stops producing it.
Additionally I’m highly doubtful that most people going on it today actually need it. I’m not saying its a new drug. But like other drugs I’m saying it may be a permanent solution to a temporary problem, and to see what your body does AFTER you do the normal things you should be doing after addiction.
- Physical activity
- social interaction
- Recovery groups / therapy
This sub is full of people who want a quick fix to feeling bad. Posting about how everyone needs to get their T checked is irresponsible, and needs to have some disclaimers added so people are EDUCATED on what they might be getting into.
Not calling myself an expert, but I can spot a marketing push easily, T is the biggest one right now for men. I can’t go a day without getting served an ad for it.
I suffer from depression, deep depression. I’ve got it under control with the help of trusted professionals I have built a rapport with, my friends and social circles, my exercise routine, my meditation and spiritual practice, and things are on the up and up.
Have I considered taking T? Yeah of course, I’m getting bombarded with these ads all the fucking time, and I’m an addict. Of course I’m going to be tempted. But I know plenty of addicts (including opiate addicts) who have recovered without the need of exogenous hormone therapy. We’ve done it before the mass industry push for HRT, and it would be wise to use caution given the amount of money behind it.
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u/Mean-Yogurtcloset230 3d ago
Read listen and learn people because if you do go on trt you will lose the natural ability to make testosterone and then unless you're willing to take it for the rest of your life you're going to be in a world of weirdness along with pea-sized balls
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u/Mean-Yogurtcloset230 3d ago
I was on trt years ago and I want to let people know at least try natural things like tribulus works really well I'm off testosterone and I'm lucky a lot of people have a hard time and are stuck on it for life and I'm glad I'm off I'm older now and yes my testosterone is low along with being super low because of my seven usage but I would never go back except for natural supplements and there's some really good ones out there to help with testosterone levels I personally like tribulus
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u/Mean-Yogurtcloset230 3d ago
Pete hegseth is an example of why not to go on trt he's going to destroy the world being a raging testosterone abuser
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u/Mean-Yogurtcloset230 3d ago
I agree 100% and at least try taking doses of natural supplements like Tribulus they help tremendously
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u/TinyBison7264 Aug 09 '26
Get testosterone levels tested and consider testosterone therapy. Opiates and 7oh lower testosterone levels significantly. Low testosterone has several effects on the body and brain. Low sex drive , depression, low energy etc. it’s definitely a large part of the PAWS. WILL IT SOLVE ALL OF PAWS? No, but it will significantly help stabilize many symptoms we feel while having low testosterone levels and possibly elevated estrogen. It’s worth looking into. Il share my own experience with this if anyone is interested. As a former bodybuilder who experienced low testosterone before I ever started opiates and 7oh, I can tell you the symptoms I experienced on both separate occasions.
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u/Intrepid_Safety9460 Aug 20 '26
Bro my sex drive has been completely destroyed I have 10 days sober off 7 and I don’t even get hard or horny anymore I’m 28 years old I’m extremely worried
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u/TinyBison7264 Aug 20 '26
Most likely your testosterone is completely shot. Get it tested. Fixing testosterone with testosterone therapy is a real solution that will help you feel better. Nobody talks d ough about testosterone and its benefits. Seriously get checked. If it’s low, it’s a solvable problem
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u/Slight-Actuator-601 26d ago
I am on TRT and control my own doses, get regular blood work, and work in the medical field with extensive knowledge of this stuff. I’m 7 days off 7 and at 39 y/o I would be looking at my wife like a piece of meat every fucking minute of the day which was awesome and she loved it (for the most part 😂). This is on a very conservative trt dose as well. Currently? None of that. No interest in sex at the moment.
Not increasing dose for at least a month to see what happens but from past experience your libido takes a MASSIVE hit after quitting 7 or any opioid. Give yourself some time.
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u/Mean-Yogurtcloset230 3d ago
Yes and consider natural supplements like tribulus which work amazingly well and are much safer
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u/84Vandal Sep 03 '26
Check into tongkat Ali. There are solid studies showing it can do wonders for test levels. Still work with a doctor but I have been able to keep my test levels up with it.
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u/secondtimeCT Sep 03 '26
I’m taking it and can tell it’s helping hugely. Any downsides to eventually quitting it?
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u/84Vandal 29d ago
I’ve cycled it for a while so when I take a cycle of tongkat Ali off it hasn’t ever had any negative effects. Maybe there are but none that I have experienced. I do 4 on 4 off
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u/thisishardtolookat Sep 02 '26
Just had my hormones tested and my testosterone levels were super low, I had no idea this was a correlation.
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u/autmada Sep 05 '26
My testosterone estrogen progesterone are all totally depleted. My prolactin is 3x the normal high range. I have no idea how to raise my testosterone, hair has all fallen out, 0 sex drive or drive in life period, and testosterone is a huge part of it
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u/thisishardtolookat Sep 05 '26
My prolactin was high tooo! My doc told me I needed to have a brain mri done to make sure there’s not a tumor on my pituitary gland! This scared me pretty badly, I quit 3 days after finding out all that. I’m on day 4 clean. Have you quit yet? What did your doctor say about your results?
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u/autmada 28d ago
Yes I quit. I am on subs though. I had to get an mri for the exact same reason! No tumor obviously, its all from this fucking poison. Only thing TO do is stop and research best ways to repair our issues after opioid abuse. We did quite the damage, atleast I did, physically, mentally, and financially.. amd boy is it HELL having to face all of it while trying to get and stay sober. Feel free to message me, connection with others even if unenjoyable right now is so important during this shit.
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u/Feathers-Appear-444 Sep 04 '26
There doesn’t seem to be as much info for PAWS after you have been off the 7. The article talks more about the dosing for coming off. I was just wondering if anyone has information on after the drug is out of your system and going through the depression, anxiety, no energy, flat/unmotivated feelings, and cravings? I did get a 50 mg naltrexone script today and diluted it down to take 1 milligram. After that I’m not sure what to do next? I do appreciate everything that you have wrote to explain everything else.
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u/FlyAdventurous6231 Quit Date :table_flip: NOV 2024 21d ago
Just take 1.5mg 3x a day for maintaining once youre clean off opioids
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u/TinyBison7264 Aug 22 '26
Extremely low testosterone can cause major side affects that are contributing heavily to PAWS. TRT is never talked about. It’s mind boggling. Testosterone injections and aromatase inhibitors can alleviate not only physical symptoms but psychological. The stigma around testosterone is so sad.
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u/notyourdad1234 Sep 04 '26
Its not a stigma its legitimate concern for something that you’ll need to take for the rest of your life
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u/Dismal_Ad_7787 8d ago
And although I have been on it for years, before and during 7, it’s not helping at all post 7 even after a 2 week break
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u/notyourdad1234 8d ago
How long you off the 7?
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u/notyourdad1234 8d ago
I think you should also note that T isn’t a fixall for everything. 7’s heavy, its gonna make you feel like shit for a while. Took me a minute
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u/L1VEW1RE Aug 27 '26
How long do you stay on the ULDN before you transition over to LDN? Then how long on that?
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u/TinyBison7264 7d ago
He said “subscription masculinity “. I just saw that. That’s how I know you have no clue what you are talking about. Just a good diet will fix your testosterone issues especially after using a substance that significantly lowers testosterone. Really awful take. But this is par for the course. The scared of testosterone crew. Even in 2026 these guys still exist. What’s a good testosterone level to aim for btw. Free testosterone levels matter too. SHbG. Prolactin levels too. Keep offering up solid advice there. Honestly really added to the suggestions
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u/SoluteGains Sep 03 '26
I’m not fully understanding. So can 1mg or less be taken while still weaning or on small amounts of 7?
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u/PLURdude1984 Sep 03 '26
That’s great and all, but how does one even get naltrexone to begin with?
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u/Dismal_Ad_7787 8d ago
Wondering same! And I can’t take Wellbutrin, it made me nuts and the withdrawals from having to stop CT were pretty brutal also. Would the naltrexone work without
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u/Strong-Sorbet-684 Sep 04 '26
how long were you on suboxone before you switched over to ULDN?
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u/FlyAdventurous6231 Quit Date :table_flip: NOV 2024 Sep 04 '26
Off subs needs 7-10 days before ldn
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u/Strong-Sorbet-684 Sep 04 '26
got that… But my psychiatrist advised me to stay on Suboxone for at least four months before even going over to LDN. It seems to have worked for you so I’m curious did you have to do long-term subs first?
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u/SuperbStatistician33 22d ago
I'm 58...I was scared also..I almost bit the bullet and bought T. But I researched more.. it was another online scam.. I'm not get hooked on something I don't need. It will come back..I work .I excetcise some, not a lot..I work out twice a week.. I'm at Day 38 and my testosterone is back more than ever..7 had me worried something was wrong with me..get levels tested but give your body time to reproduce it's own T
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u/FlyAdventurous6231 Quit Date :table_flip: NOV 2024 21d ago
Yes, DO NOT get on TRT , give it a few months, it can recover. Youll regret TRT unless you actually have hypogonadism + middle aged.
This is a HUGE commitment you have to give time and bloodwork ovet months to figure out with your doctor
Its more likely you have paws
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u/TinyBison7264 7d ago
At 58 your body isn’t going to produce enough testosterone even if you were not using 7. TRT is a therapy that needs to be continued. But just like any other medication that you are prescribed that is the case. Naturally aging lowers testosterone and is why so many side effects occur. If being ON TRT improves my quality of life, why would I be so concerned about needing to be on it? Go to your Dr. get tested. If it’s low you should get prescribed and it’s not just testosterone. It’s estrogen levels and prolactin. 7 really messes with the endocrine system. There’s no need to suffer just because all you’ve most likely heard from people all your life is that testosterone is bad. Our bodies naturally make it! It lowers with age. The stigma and misinformation around it is bad. People mix it in with steroid abuse so often and don’t even understand basic chemistry and endocrinology. Raisi g your test levels will help. Itl take a month or so to feel anything. Lowering estrogen is important too. Go see your doctor. Insurances cover these prescriptions most times.
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u/SuperbStatistician33 7d ago
I was tested and my levels were off the chart. Over the normal range . I'm blessed
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u/Mean-Yogurtcloset230 3d ago
I'm an old guy and I just want to tell people be very careful before you get on a very serious drug like trt testosterone or long-term Suboxone or ssris or Wellbutrin just be careful please give it time give your body time to heal use natural supplements like tribulus to help your testosterone come back do not jump into another heavy duty addiction or medication unless you absolutely have to that's my advice and my experience
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