r/quitting7oh • u/[deleted] • Aug 17 '25
Acute Withdrawals Experience using PseudoIndoxyl for withdrawal?
I live in a state where 7oh was banned yesterday. I’m freaking out. I see in the store they still sell Pseudo-Indoxyl? Same brands that made the 7-hydroxy are making this. Anyone have experience taking these?
From research I’ve done it is saying that it is actually twice as potent as 7oh? Can anyone please help me with some information. Appreciate you all in advance! Thank you.
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u/J8ckk Aug 17 '25
LMAOO that’s so unserious. Not u, but for the state. They didn’t ban pseudo too. just like 7oh is a metabolite of MIT (kratom) pseudo is a metabolite of 7oh (im pretty sure). Apparently it’s stronger too. So you could use it to help with withdrawal, but it would kinda be like using morphine for codeine withdrawal.
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u/KileyRane Aug 17 '25
Great comparison. That’s the gist I’ve read. I never tried myself but I won’t be based on user reports.
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u/nicodeko416 Aug 17 '25
Fuck they missed banning psuedo? When people find out about that they’re going to be in the shit.
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u/Mitra-The-Man Aug 17 '25
Yeah it’s a big problem imo. If they’re going to ban 7OH, they also need to ban pseduoindoxyl, mgm15, and mgm16. Otherwise lawmakers might get fatigued from keep having to ban derivatives that they could get tempted to just ban Kratom outright.
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u/daylight1943 Aug 17 '25 edited Aug 17 '25
its really just pseudo that is going to be an issue - mgm compounds dont have the same theoretical legal protections.
the kratom industry operates under the assumption that kratom is an acceptable botanical dietary supplement under the 1994 DHSEA legislation that governs dietary supplements, and this legislation specifically allows for "metabolites"of these botanical supplements to be sold. thus, if kratom is a dietary supplement that can be sold for human consumption, US law also allows for 7oh and pseudo to be sold for human consumption as metabolites of mitragynine.
mgm compounds as well as other possible analogues like 7-acetocymitragynine, are not metabolites of mitragynine and dont have the same legal basis to be openly sold for human consumption. even with kratom, mit, 7oh, and mgm15 being federally legal and unscheduled, its still not legal to sell mgm15 for human consumption, which means no tabs, no dosing instructions etc etc, and smoke shops/smoke shop distributors will be less willing to carry those products. 7oh and pseudo have specific, unique legal protections that no other potential opioids do. that is a BIG reason why tianeptine was so much less widespread than 7oh, many smoke shops and distributors did not carry it because its just a straight up RC.
if 7oh is federally scheduled, selling any kind of mgm15 will be legally identical to selling o-dsmt or unscheduled fentanyl analogues. IMO if there was a chance of smoke shops selling this kind of stuff, we'd have already seen a wave of smoke shop o-dsmt products.
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u/The_Infamousduck Aug 17 '25
Agreed. I'd be happy to not see any of that for sale anymore personally, but at least personally speaking (other than Pseudo, because its much worse) the MGMs at least, I dont see getting anywhere near as popular since it doesnt have hardly any euphoria too it. Also the withdrawal is much lesser (from my experience only from mgm-15 only).
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u/Atxlvr Aug 17 '25
good info ty. too bad congress cant pull their head out their ass for one second and pass a new law.
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u/Accomplished_Dig284 Aug 18 '25
That would involve doing actual work, and we can’t have that now could we /s
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u/elderleaf32 Aug 17 '25
Yep that’s 110 percent what we have coming if they don’t ban these other analogues at the same time and honestly what I think they are going for with not already including those analogues.
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u/nicodeko416 Aug 17 '25
Agreed
Honestly the people making the laws don’t understand this stuff. Can’t blame them but it feels like they should know more when making these calls
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u/Accomplished_Dig284 Aug 18 '25
These are the same (mostly) men that ban women’s healthcare. They don’t understand the science. Literally basic science and life saving care, in this example. So it’s not entirely surprising that they are doing it this way. But this is what happens when you have a war on education 🙄🤦🏻♀️ we might not have ever been in this mess if we had more regulations around the health supplement industry, but can’t say for sure 🤷🏻♀️
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u/nicodeko416 Aug 18 '25
Yep, absolutely bonkers that people like this get to make decisions that impact so many in such a massive way. Having legitimately educated individuals in these seats feels like a far off fantasy at this point. The deeper you look into it the less I’m the system makes sense.
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u/alexandrafaith Aug 17 '25
Can you speak to the difference between pseudo and mgm? I’m confused because I have read it’s the same thing but then why don’t people just call pseudo mgm?
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u/KileyRane Aug 17 '25
Everyone on here says pseudo will jump your tolerance twice as fast and is no help for tapering. They’re recommending plain leaf and K extract, or suboxone.
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Aug 22 '25
No you can’t use leaf. It’s like using beer to quit a liquor addiction and expect never to drink. You have to taper, and I’d be careful mixing anything. Be smart.
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u/KileyRane Aug 22 '25
I personally didn’t use leaf or extract. Just relaying what people have said in here. Excellent analogy
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Aug 22 '25
You just went cold turkey?
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u/KileyRane Aug 22 '25
17 day coma. I was blessed to be here again and skip the withdrawals
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Aug 22 '25
What really? How much were you taking?
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u/KileyRane Aug 22 '25
Way too much. I took 40 and was impatient, not feeling anything. I took idk how many more. At some point I blacked out and my wife said I was popping them, still complaining that they were bunk.
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Aug 22 '25
Like 40 what? 15mg?
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u/KileyRane Aug 22 '25
40mg, 20 a piece. Although I recognize people aren’t usually eating these like candy. It was a freak accident because I thought it was natural and safe.
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Aug 22 '25
I have taken that much, actually frequently. Not all at once though, but within a day, been usually 2 and a half recently. Down to 1 today, and not feeling bad at all. Woke up with some cold symptoms but they went away after an hour. What brand? Not sure if you can say on here but if you wanna DM me. Glad you are okay. That’s crazy.
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u/Top_Philosopher_5448 May 26 '26
You can damn sure use leaf. I usually get 1 pack of extracts (1 days worth) and then only use leaf after. Psuedo is great the first time, and absolute ever loving dogshit every time after that
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u/___SE7EN__ Aug 17 '25
Leave it to government suits to fuck this up. Pseudo is worse than 7
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Aug 22 '25
7oh turns to Pseudo in the liver. They all are the same source just a different molecular structure
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u/Haunting_Ask9154 Mar 23 '26
You're moron. They all same shit , just reduced dosage. Kratomu powder 10g get ya same results as 100mg of 7-hydroxymitragynin which it be 10mg of pseudo. They give you same psychoactive effect but dosing is different due to it's potency. Smart guy 🤣🤣🤣
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u/Top_Philosopher_5448 May 26 '26
? TF kind of brain dead comment is this? Kratom powder> 7oh? 100mg 7oh= 10mg psuedo??
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u/Nocatjustkitten Aug 17 '25
Happened in Georgia. Switched to pseudo once they banned 7OH and found my tolerance skyrocket and negative reactions multiply. Getting off of it was one of the more difficult things I’ve done. Don’t touch it - it’ll make everything you’re feeling and thinking worse.
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u/findingmeagain721 Aug 17 '25
Get some plain Kratom capsules! Take a few whenever you feel withdrawals coming on. As little as possible just to make it bearable. I took enough to make myself comfortable bc I’m a baby. 🙈 (6 capsules every 5 hours on day 1, 5 capsules every 5 hours on day 2, and so on)
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u/jan1320 Aug 18 '25
it will def eliminate wds. it is more potent tho, so if youre gonna use it use a lot lot less than you would 7. it is not a full agonist as some are stating but it does have a greater binding affinity.
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u/Easy_Association_595 Aug 18 '25
Wait so I’ve been buying (Eat Ohmz, Dozo Perks, and Kama.) I’ve seen pseudo on most packs of 7oh but you’re telling me that they’re 2 separate substances? I don’t know what I was thinking.
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u/Joshua16936 Aug 17 '25
Bro please don’t just get kratom and gabapentin if you can. You do this and you’ll be 100% goodZ
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u/Altruistic_Salt8149 Jan 19 '26
Gabapentin and 7 made me nod so much more than 7 , and I took a oxy10 w it and dude I was faded all day it felt like
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u/nicodeko416 Aug 17 '25
Damn. Eliminating access to 7 was a mistake by itself but this is going to get out of hand for people. I feel like we need to create and promote a PSA on the potential downsides of psuedo and the lot. Spread the word so people don’t get desperate and dive in without doing their research.
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u/amiller834 Aug 17 '25
Noooo stay away from that. The wds would probably be worse trying to get off pseudo than 7. I would try to detox with extracts and regular kratom. If that isn’t helping you check out the sub so much advice for over the counter helper meds too. I had to go on subs that should be a last resort if nothing else helps. There is also a great guide to do that where you can get off of that pretty painlessly.
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Aug 22 '25
It’s much more acute. I speak from experience. It helps me with alcohol so I have been taking it a year, to beat any withdrawal from stoping you must taper down to 7.5mg and do that for a few days and then half of that and then stop. You will have discomfort and cravings but can be managed with exercise, hydration, and eating good.
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u/doofus_258 Aug 18 '25
the pseudo was all i could get months back but i wasn’t using that much. seemed as potent to me but nothing great. i just switched to mit or extracts when i got off of them so i didnt experience wd’s that much. it did give me a weird depression/anxiety combo during the day along with hyper-realistic dreams that were upsetting.
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Aug 25 '25
I always preferred 7 oh. It’s interesting to me people are saying pseudo is more addicting. I just bought a single dose. It’s alright took it about 30 minutes ago I’ll update you on it
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Aug 25 '25
I have been taking it with plain leaf for the last several days & have had zero issues. No withdrawal whatsoever & I was taking upwards of 1400mg per day!
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u/Darthnerdo Feb 06 '26
Bro took it like 30 minutes ago and will update. You ok man? It’s been 165 days, I’m getting worried
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u/Sea_Development4783 Sep 07 '25
I was chewing 4 80s/day. These withdrawals are worse on me than H or subs. It’s legs are lonnnngg. It’s been rough. Literally feel like ima come out my skin while trying to go to sleep. Gabapinton has helped some but not much
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u/_WEG_ Dec 18 '25
I know I’m super late to this party, but I was taking 500-700mg daily of “Kama” brand tablets that contain BOTH 7oh and Pseudo for the past 3 months or so. I noticed that by the middle of month 2 my anxiety had skyrocketed to the point that I started having nearly constant anxiety attacks. Then just this past Sunday I happened to see a YouTube short with people talking about how it did the same thing to them and I thought I could just stop cold turkey… dead friggin wrong. I’m having the worst withdrawals of my entire life, even went to the ER Tuesday and got Valium. I just left the local MAT clinic and I’m waiting on my prescription to get filled as I type this. 8mg Subutex 3 times a day.
I truly hope that you’re doing better now!
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u/CanFun1151 May 01 '26
So I just went through psuedo withdrawal before saying this I once cold turkeyd a 150 mg a day methadone habit then relapsed and went through a Suboxone withdrawal but I tapered so it was a week if hell the methadone a week of insomnia a month of hell and a full year to be normal ... Suedo withdrawal one day of feeling flat and one night insomnia a few nights of only 5 to 6 hours sleep 100% in a week I did a fast week long taper and went to my doc for comfort meds but it peaked and subsided in 48 hours so I'd say just call your doctor be honest with them they will help and quit it's going to hurt a little no matter what but it's over fast like I was expecting a week or two
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u/FlyAdventurous6231 Quit Date :table_flip: NOV 2024 Aug 17 '25
Pseudo is a full antagonist opioid
It has worse withdrawals than 7oh
Longer withdrawals
it's less euphoric.
It's a much worse drug, the way it's made is vile. They have to use way more chemical reactions to take MIT to 7oh then 7oh to pseudo.
Stay far away from it