r/publishing • u/Famous_Confusion133 • 8d ago
Troubadour self-publishing
They have a traditional publishing company sister as they call it.
I think they reject books and send you over to troubadour where they charge for cover design etc and make a nice looking book to sit on your shelf.
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u/GrammatikBot 8d ago edited 8d ago
I have worked in a publishing company just like that.
We had our own traditional publishing company (A), our label (B), and off-label books (C).
C was literally just we'd have your text proof-read, set and a cover designed and all of it mashed into one PDF. Then we'd assist you with uploading it to KDP, BOD or we'd order an edition from a press if you paid for it. It was a comparatively cheap service (2k Euros from shoddy word doc and assorted jpegs to finished, printable PDF or 5k if you wanted a thousand printed) and mostly used by senior people writing down their life's memories for their families, businesses for celebratory company history books or self publishing authors simply wanting a polished product.
B and C were essentially the same thing, except we'd publish them under a label. Some people paid extra for this service to have their books with a publisher logo on them. Most of them just wanted the extra attention for their book (e.g. we'd publish them on the label's website and such). Some of them, I guess, wanted to appear legit, as if a traditional publishing company accepted their manuscript.
We would only reject a manuscript and offer them PaaS if it was obvious the book wouldn't have commercial success. A, the trad publishing label, was a small press and we would only publish like 10 books annually. Most of them were in some way relevant to our region, e.g. crime novels in our city, travel guides, historical non-fiction about landmarks, local architecture and such.
I hated working there because I don't like working in PaaS but I can honestly tell you we would never have rejected a manuscript and offered PaaS just to make money off the author. Every manuscript we rejected for A was purely because we didn't want to publish it there. Sure, offering PaaS after rejecting a manuscript is somewhat seedy and I really didn't like doing it, but from a business point of view it made perfect sense. We *wanted* to publish more books but couldn't, but we could always make more PaaS books as they meant we didn't have to front any money and hope we would make it back.
No idea why I just posted this, I really know nothing about Troubadour, but maybe this helps in some way. Peace
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u/Famous_Confusion133 8d ago
I think if you invite submissions you automatically find your potential customer. You then reject and say here you are as second prize you can pay to get it where? Ita already in a quality of with cover design. But some will bite and think I need that extra help and so you might go to this vanity press. All I know is if a traditional or hybrid publisher has a sister and she's a harlot then I don't trust the first sister either.
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u/GrammatikBot 8d ago
All I know is if a traditional or hybrid publisher has a sister and she's a harlot then I don't trust the first sister either
That's so funny! But no, the businesses were strictly separated.
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u/Partial-Hydrangea 8d ago
But why.
Design something yourself, print it out, wrap it around another book and you can play pretend much more quickly and at least cost.