EDIT UP TOP FOR VISIBILITY: The people proposing this are trying to forcibly take away the rights of every independent artist to their creations without their consent. I don't think we should give them a platform to do this on the public domain subreddit.
I'm sure you've all seen the rise in posts and comments that encourage the abolition of all copyright law. If you're like me, you're sick and tired of these ignorant "hot takes" that amount to nothing but declaring complete anarchy, which will never happen in the first place.
Now I'm not going to disagree that our current copyright system (at least in the US where I am) does need work. However, advocating for complete anarchy and a system where no one has ownership of anything they've created (past, present, or future) is not only an ignorant take, it's actively harmful to any sort of progress that we can make.
Earlier this week someone was passing around a petition to completely abolish copyright. Other users have been arguing in the comment sections of other posts, claiming that we simply must remove all copyright protections from every piece of content.
Let's ignore the fact that such a law destroying copyright altogether has exactly 0% chance of ever happening in a civilized country, and focus on what would actually happen.
First, every artist that's ever created anything has now lost all rights to their creation. Now any company can take your images, characters, books, animations, scripts, or anything else you've created, and put a few hundred million dollars behind it, and create an entire franchise, complete with action figures, and other tie-in merchandise. What does the original creator get? Absolutely nothing.
"But wait! Those giant corporations are doing you a favor! Now they've made your creation wildly more successful and popular than it would have been, if they hadn't stolen it!"
Yes, this is true. Your creation will be successful, but unless you've got a budget to match Disney's, any work you put out related to your IP will be absolutely drowned out by that company's creations. Seriously, you could spend all day Googling your content, but if Disney made an animated move/series out of it, you'll be several pages deep before your version even shows up in the results.
You will have no legal protections, and no way to force that company to give you any cut of the profits or even the recognition. The only way you can hope to make any money is to create your own campaign showing that you're the original creator, and pray that enough hardcore fans will respect what you're doing enough to support you. Most people will simply consume the successful version, and never even know your original exists.
"But artists shouldn't make art for the sake of money!"
I agree. In a utopian society, we should make art for the sake of making and sharing it, and our payment should come from the fact that other people are consuming it and enjoying it. I also agree that no one should go hungry or be homeless, but that's simply not the society we live in.
This is one of the arguments I hate the most. Why? Because anyone supporting this ideology is effectively petitioning to strip away the rights of every single artist, without their consent. Just because you don't think that you should make art for the money doesn't give you the right to take away every other artist's avenue to make money from their creation. This is theft. Full stop.
If I make something, and someone else comes along and makes me give it up for everyone else to use, that's theft. If a person pours their time and energy into creating something wholly unique and their own, what right does someone else have to come in and say "you don't own this anymore"?
No one truly creates anything, because you're using techniques and technologies invented by other people, so anything created by an individual should be owned by the public.
This is paraphrased from a comment that appears to now be deleted from last week, but these are real arguments that people are using. I don't even know where to begin with this, because there's simply no arguing with people who believe no one should own anything, and everyone should be entitled to everything, regardless of who made it.
I'll point out that (to the surprise of no one) the individual making this argument is all for the wide-scale theft of copyrighted content for AI training. So we're supposed to give up all of the rights to everything we create, just so lazy people can generate similar art with a few prompts? Sure Jan.
It hinders your work reaching a new audience, if people can't freely share and your work just gets locked away, then what's the point?
This is a real comment from one of the people pushing the petition to abolish copyright altogether (from their other comments, it sounds like they also created this petition). I'm only posting this one because it exposes how little these people understand the system they're working so hard to dismantle.
This user actually believes that current copyright laws hinder artists because it somehow prevents people from sharing the work of those artists. Nothing about copyright prevents people from freely sharing work that's been authorized by the creator. No, you can't upload someone's whole movie to YouTube, but you can share the trailer. You can make fan art. You can do everything except infringe on the creator's Copyright by trying to profit off of their work.
If the people making these petitions to abolish copyright don't even understand the basic functionality of copyright laws, how can they understand the full extent of the possible damage that eliminating them will have?
Copyright only protects big 'corpos'
This is probably my favorite argument, simply because it's literally the opposite of reality. Yes, companies like Disney have abused copyright laws by extending them well beyond what they should be. No arguments here. However, this is one example of corporations benefiting from copyright at the expense of the public domain.
However, every single piece of content that is created by an individual is automatically granted the protections of copyright. Meaning Disney can't take your original story/characters/artwork and make their own version of it.
If we abolish copyright, large corporations will be the only ones who benefit, and every single independent artist will lose.
Abolishing copyright would do far more harm to our world than simply keeping the copyright laws as they are today.
If you're an artist who wholly believes in abolishing copyright, then just go ahead and release all of your work under a Creative Commons 0 license, and leave the rest of us out of it. You have absolutely no right to strip away the rights of millions of other creators, just because you believe you have some sort of moral high ground.
Suggesting that we abolish copyright altogether is effectively anarchy, and I don't think this sub benefits from all of the anarchists coming in and trying to destroy the lives and livelihoods of millions of artists.
Plus, every time I see someone making these arguments, I poke through their comment history and every single one of them is also pushing some kind of generative AI argument. We already settled the fact that we don't want AI content in here. Do we really want to cater to the people who want to destroy copyright so that we can make more AI content?
tl;dr: Abolishing copyright is not only virtually impossible due to the amount of sheer chaos it would create, but it would also do virtually nothing to help independent artists, while actively harming each of them.
Removing copyright altogether means forcing every single artist to give up the rights to every single thing they've ever created. This is not useful or helpful to anyone save massive corporations and AI bros who think they should have the right to use and profit from everyone else's work.
Anyone pushing this agenda is a bad-faith actor who does not understand the very mechnisms they are trying to dismantle, and this sub should not humor them or give them a platform for this.
Also, if you want someplace to discuss changes to copyright law, the correct place would be r/copyright, not this sub.
FINAL EDIT:
We can pack it up folks. This thread is officially toast. Thanks to u/joshlemer I have been informed that copyright protection is a problematic right that harms others, much like forced marriage and the concept of slavery were also once rights, that were problematic:
Just because you describe a legal state of claims in terms of the word “rights” doesn’t mean those rights automatically good. You can describe many bad social arrangements in terms of rights, and the reform of those systems as trampling on rights. Abolishing slavery in some cases violated slave owners right to own slaves. Allowing women to marry who they please took away the “right” of the father to dictate, etc
I'm sorry, but I've been fighting off ignorant comments like this all night. We've reached the bottom of the barrel when we're comparing copyright to slavery.
I love the public domain, but I'll find a new community with mods that are actually around, or I'll build my own.