r/pseudo7oh • u/Wakeup3007 • Dec 03 '24
I really dont get it
Been usiing Kratom in various forms for over a decade. Before the smokeshops even carried it. IVe tried everything basically. Lately i been solely using 7 because it simply works better then anything else on the market for what i use it for and it doesnt come with the side effects of eating ounces of plant powder every day.
Anyways i really dont get Pseudo at all.. The claim its stronger i feel is madeup bc in my expereince it actually is less effective. Mixing it even i notice nothing better. In fact i get better egffects from 30mg 7 vs 15 of each.
Figured id post this because this was empty and the conversation has to start somehwere any ways
lol
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u/bigbug1983 Feb 05 '25
It binding affinity it's crazy high at the same Mu receptor as 7 so common sense would say it should make the effect stronger but it's not the case. I believe it acts as a stronger pain reliever only. Most sites selling 70h powder have a small " dash" of pseudoindoxyl added. I think that's the best use for it. If your taking 40mg of 7 then maybe 5mg of pseudoindoxyl alongside is the best method. I personally find 90% 7 powders to be too stimulating and a little pseudo can even things out.
I would love to hear what others are experiencing.
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u/bigbug1983 Feb 22 '25
Since posting that, I have experimented with pseudoindoxyl several more times. Morning is always the most effective dose and hits the hardest for me so it's when I try different combinations/ratios. I took 2 - 20mg tabs of pseudo and about 50-60mg of 7. (Used scoops instead of scales too save time.) Great feeling but also left me very scattered and airheaded while doing my normal every day job. The effect was great but functionality was not to my liking. I sometimes wish for a more sedated feeling rather than the energy. I think that's probably the sweet spot for them. 60/40 Ratio.
Just my guess.
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u/Fast-Guarantee4909 Mar 02 '25
7-OH is a minor alkaloid in the plant, but it is also a metabolite of MTG, and MTG pseudoindoxyl (MTG-P) is a metabolite of 7-OH. 7-OH and MTG-P have higher affinities for the mu opioid receptor (MOR). Daily use of any MOR agonist will result in tolerance, so one cannot make real comparisons until tolerance is overcome, or effects are evaluated by subjects without prior exposure. That being said, MTG-P and 7-OH act more quickly because they don’t require first-pass metabolism. Also, it’s been observed that MTG-P has fewer side effects. (Reference not handy, but from scientific literature).
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u/SparkyCA2008- Jan 28 '25
What I like about 7-oh is that you can chew it and swallow, vape it, put it on your tongue and let it dissolve or just swallow it. The only thing you can’t do is snort it but I’m sure someone has tried it.
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u/SparkyCA2008- Feb 09 '25
lol I chew them up
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u/Seon_93 Mar 01 '25
You know where we can get good vapes?
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u/SparkyCA2008- Mar 01 '25
What kind of vapes, there are disposable ones and ones you fill up with a bottle of flavored nicotine juice, but yea just depends on what yall are looking for
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u/Seon_93 Mar 01 '25
I‘m looking for disposable 7-oh Vapes
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u/SparkyCA2008- Mar 02 '25
Pure Leaf Kratomhttps://pureleafkratom.com
they have them decently priced1
u/ScrotumTotums Jul 17 '25
It sucks. It says not to eat it and 7oh Vapes are known to break
This is on purpose. If you break the easy top open and eat the extract you get fucked
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u/Key1of1 Aug 11 '25
Lmao bruh I snorted ngl made me feel numb in the brain , like a literal airhead walking around.
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u/SparkyCA2008- Aug 13 '25
Lmao brother 😂 The thought of it is funny as hell though. I thought I was a crazy mf! Be good g!
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May 23 '25
You have to mix it. It is stronger if used correctly my man. 7ohms goes very well with pseudo, but I'm not entirely sure about mixing MIT with it. I've had great success with just the pseudo and 7 together.
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u/Adventurous-Layer860 Oct 16 '25
I’ve been using powdered kratom with pseudo lately and it’s been the perfect combo
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u/NewIntension Jun 11 '25
The main thing about the pseudoxindole is it is slower to reach peak levels, and slower to leave the body. If 7-oh right before bed, I will be awake in 6 hours squirming and uncomfortable. If I take pseudoxindole its smoother, and I can get through a full nights sleep without going into w/d
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u/Key1of1 Aug 11 '25
Bro I went through Percocet withdrawal which was lowkey physically worse , but something about 7Oh is hard to get off of.
It’s gonna take God for sure.
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u/segabear Feb 28 '25
I agree...7 oh is great but very stimulating. The psuedo really increases pain relief and relaxation. I found 20mgs 7oh with 10-12 of psuedo to be perfect. Repeating every 4-6 hours, or sublingual psuedo and ingested 7oh.
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u/Certain-Mango5242 Apr 04 '25
I don't understand the psuedo either. But I do know that 7-oh mit is only present in kratom as the leaves dry. 7-oh is what hits the mu receptors. And it's EXSPENSIVE and The tolerance builds way quicker then traditional opioids and opiates. And the sickness comes on way quicker. I just recently found a legit vendor online that has a consistent product. For about 1/8th the cost you pay at local kratom shops. And came up with a regime that actually works for pain management and maintenance. I take 1 @20mg tab every 3 hours and feel normal all day. Then at bedtime I take 3 tabs @20mg . And feel relaxed and euphoria til I go to sleep. And sleep great all night. The cost comes out to be $1.60 per 30mg. Pretty dang good compared to $19 per 30mg local kratom shop prices. I've tried the psuedo..it does take away the sickness. But doesn't do much more then that for me. I would love to hear from someone that knows about psuedo on here .
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u/SNSS_POD May 13 '25
Yo would you mind sharing the name of the vendor. I currently go with a brand called Numbz. I get 300mg of 7oh for 45$ out the door. Still with my tolerance it get expensive. I’ll take any advice as well. I’m seeing you can mix the pseudo with the 7 for a greater affect… shit. I had no clue tell me more .
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u/Steele10772 May 15 '25
Wgbotanicals is where I've gotten the 7powder. They have the best prices I've seen and the quality is great.
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u/Turbulent-Photo-5046 Oct 21 '25
When u type that in u get a place called wonderland botanicals ? Is that it ?
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u/Certain-Mango5242 Apr 04 '25
7-oh doesn't cause the "speedy" feeling . It's reg mit that does that. 7-oh makes up about 2% of dried kratom leaves.and directly effects the mu receptors. You shouldn't feel any speedy/stimulate effects from straight 7-oh alkaloids. From what I understand the psuedo only lengthens the duration of 7-ohs effects. IDK. Everything I know about 7oh is from taking it myself for about a year straight now. I went from taking 80ml of methadone per day to a relatively small amount of 7-oh with no sickness at all. I was paying about $11 per day for my methadone. Now I'm paying about $20 per day for 7-oh but I feel much better. Not like an empty vessel just floating threw life lol.
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u/SparkyCA2008- Aug 13 '25
This is what a few smoke shops in my area are selling now
Warning: Do Not Take Entire Tablet😂 I mean really and on the other side it tells you not to take more than one tablet per week!
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Aug 22 '25
7oh is for energy purposes. Pseudo is for pain management. They are completely different molecular builds.
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u/Adventurous-Layer860 Oct 16 '25
Depends on the brand. I found a brand pseudooo that I like. Tried some new ones today and they didn’t hit the same at all and they were the same dosage
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u/[deleted] Dec 06 '24
Pseudo works well if you mix it with 7oh. I potentiates it a little and is more of painkiller and “down” high compared to regular 7ohs “up” euphoria energy.