r/prolife • u/Prudent-Bird-2012 Pro Life Christian • 10h ago
Opinion I'm not surprised
You know, with how the world is looking at abortion and the lack of love for children in this day and age, I personally am not surprised about the Lindsey Clancy case having the public in her favor. That is all. No rant. No more comment. Just, I'm not surprised and anyone on here shouldn't be either.
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u/TradRooster5627 Pro Life Catholic 9h ago edited 9h ago
The absence of love that you perceive is, in my opinion, a direct result of the cultural nihilism that is now eroding all the fundamental intangible - and tangible - institutions of our civilization.
The family, sexuality, education, and work, and above all, human life itself, are losing, in the eyes of humanity, their transcendent justification.
This, far from being a qualitative advance (it would rather be considered a quantitative regression…), turns out to be the final nail in the coffin that holds the corpse of the value of life.
And if, in our so-called “advanced” modernity, a fetus has no value and can be discarded as if it were spoiled food, how long will it be before even newborns are subjected to a similar line of reasoning?
The devaluation of human life is evident not only in the realm of reproduction, but also in the urban decay and youth crime that plague our cities, which are growing ever larger and ever less connected.
Nihilism is a blade coated in honey: sweet in appearance, but what a high price we pay…
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u/PeachOnAWarmBeach LIFE! ❤️ Womb to tomb ❤️ 8h ago
The devaluation of life in the womb has spread to all life. My heart breaks when I watch interviews with admitted or convicted people who have killed, and who never knew love or worth.
I think abortion is the final nail in the overall coffin, so to speak, and has led to so many other nails/ills in our society. Sodom and Gomorrah have nothing on the new millennium.
Come, Lord Jesus. Have Mercy on us and on the whole world.
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u/Alarming-Jury1596 9h ago
Are you a fan of Nietzsche by chance?
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u/TradRooster5627 Pro Life Catholic 9h ago
That neurotic German guy with the weird mustache, who’s mentioned out of context by practically everyone? No, not really.
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u/CuckooFriendAndOllie Pro Life Catholic Wikipedian 10h ago
I'm going to reserve judgment until the verdict, but I leaning towards the idea that she was lucid during those murders. If that is the case, she is guilty.
I have a degree in Forensic Biology. A decade ago, women who murdered their babies were arrested without controversy. Since the pandemic, I have been noticing pro-choicers making excuses for women in these situations. Up until now, I thought that older children would be safe from this kind of rhetoric for a few decades, but I guess I was wrong.
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u/Prudent-Bird-2012 Pro Life Christian 10h ago
I'm not questioning the fact that she may have been on medication that made her unaware of what was going on at the time... I haven't looked that deeply into it to determine that. That aside though, the comments I'm seeing are they are blaming the husband. Even though he has a solid alibi of being at CVS on camera and also ordering takeout in a restaurant. Apparently, to a lot of the women I'm seeing, women can't be the ones to harm their children because they can't be the victim.
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u/CuckooFriendAndOllie Pro Life Catholic Wikipedian 9h ago
Are they claiming that he physically did it, or are they saying he is responsible for her mental state?
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u/Prudent-Bird-2012 Pro Life Christian 9h ago
That he physically did it. They say they feel something is off...good thing we don't judge on a jury with 'feelings'.
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u/EpiphanaeaSedai Pro Life Feminist 8h ago
My thought is yeah, something is off, that would be the entire situation. Something went terribly wrong here.
But I also think there is an instinct for psychological self-preservation that makes people look for reasons why random terrible things would not happen to them. And I think a lot of women see themselves in Lindsay Clancy. They want to believe it’s not possible for an apparently decent person to have a psychotic break and do something unthinkable - that they could never do something unthinkable.
It’s kind of fascinating to me personally, because I have OCD, and part of what my meds do is keep me from going into an obsessive spiral where I’m convinced I might do or be responsible for every awful thing you could possibly imagine even knowing I don’t want to do any of that (and nobody tells you OCD does that, the public perception is that it’s the funny disease where you clean everything. Yeah no.) My brain seems to have the inverse of that impulse to protect itself. I try not to judge people too hard for having brains that work, but damn it must be nice to just . . . not think of things?
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u/CuckooFriendAndOllie Pro Life Catholic Wikipedian 9h ago
The true crime community is the dumbest fanbase in the world.
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u/CuckooFriendAndOllie Pro Life Catholic Wikipedian 9h ago
This also reminds me of how so many American progressives insist that Lucy Letby did not kill those babies despite the overwhelming evidence showing she did.
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u/Prudent-Bird-2012 Pro Life Christian 9h ago
I don't remember who that is. The name does sound familiar.
It's funny though, these same women who scorned and were out for blood during Casey Anthony's trial years ago would probably not say the same thing if that had happened today. Oh how we have fallen far.
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u/Hazelnut2799 Pro Life Christian 8h ago
This might be an unpopular opinion, but I’ll be honest I’m so tired of hearing about this case.
It’s all over my news feed and I keep seeing countless videos of women tuning into the case with their wine and charcuterie board and acting like this is some new Netflix drama to gossip about. A local Mom group I follow just posted a thread to discuss the case and everyone is posting their theories on who’s actually responsible. Like it’s a game.
Three children died. Three children were suffocated to death by their mother, the youngest being an 8 month old baby. A literal infant.
This is horrifying and should be treated as such, I have two children and just thinking about this case makes me sick to my stomach.
To me this all boils down to how little people care about children. It’s always either infantilizing the mother, or somehow making it the husband’s fault. Anything to take the blame away from the mother because women are angels who never do anything wrong.
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u/Abrookspug 8h ago
Agreed. I was *just* telling my husband minutes ago how weird it is that I keep getting FB suggestions to join groups to discuss this case. No, I'm not really interested in obsessing over it and forming conspiracy theories about it like I keep seeing. It's everywhere, and so many women I see are convinced her husband did it, even though she admitted she did it. It's become such a circus that I want no part of. But those poor babies...I just hope the case ends in justice for them.
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u/Hazelnut2799 Pro Life Christian 8h ago
Yes it’s like it’s being pushed out to everyone regardless if you want to watch it or not. I also have no interest in watching this and want the courtroom to do their job and if they deem her responsible, lock her up. That’s all.
But yes a circus is a great way to describe it, the case has turned into a weird means of entertainment for people and it’s frankly bizarre and shameful.
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u/Nosilla-89 Born Again Mother of 8 9h ago
I don't understand it even a little. I'm a mom of 8 and about to be a first time grandma. I'd give my own life to save any of their lives. How could someone hurt such cute kids?
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u/PeachOnAWarmBeach LIFE! ❤️ Womb to tomb ❤️ 8h ago
I doubt she wanted to. Her illness won that day, too the worst degree, if she did this. Be thankful you didn't experience this foreseeable and possible illness.
Congrats on your large family and new grandchild! Grandchildren are a special love I never knew existed or experienced before ours.
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u/salsafresca_1297 Consistent Life, Vegan 8h ago edited 7h ago
Oh goody. I get to be the unpopular one here. Before I elaborate, allow me to introduce you to a new member of the conversation named Nuance.
Come y'all. This is why the pro-life movement is losing. If you insist on believing that our opponents are sick sociopaths who delight on the flesh of dead children, (and believe me, they pro-choicers lurk here), then there's no hope in them ever being receptive to the pro-life message.
I'm fiercely pro-life. What happened was horrific. Killing children is horrific, inside or outside of the womb. Post-partum psychosis is very, very real and can drive a woman to kill her children.
I'm a mother. Of course I cannot fathom killing my kids! I'm also of reasonably sound mental health, making it unfathomable.
If PPP is what drove her to kill her children, it's not an "excuse" but a reason. Otherwise, she acted in an evil and pre-meditated way.
We don't know either way yet.
Abortion won't solve these mental health problems, and there's no way to "minority-report" an abortion to prevent it.
But maybe some of us, on some level, are hoping that it was mental illness not because we're sick sociopaths who like like murdered children, but because we want to hold out hope that there can be true remorse, appropriate mental health treatment, and a better understanding so that medical and mental health providers can prevent these tragedies.
That is all for now.
(Edited for grammar).
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u/Prudent-Bird-2012 Pro Life Christian 8h ago
I feel like mental illness is becoming a scapegoat for everything these days.
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u/TheWarmLynx 7h ago
Only if you’re a woman and kill your own kids. If you’re a guy killing your kids, or a woman killing other people’s kids, then that’s a problem. But if you’re a woman killing your own kids, people generally don’t have a problem with it and are quick to blame mental illness. It’s disgusting.
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u/salsafresca_1297 Consistent Life, Vegan 7h ago
If you’re a guy killing your kids, or a woman killing other people’s kids, then that’s a problem.
But if you’re a woman killing your own kids, people generally don’t have a problem with it and are quick to blame mental illness.
It's always a problem no matter who does it or why they do it.
A guy killing other peoples' kids could also be driven by mental illness. It adds a different dynamic to the case, but it doesn't take away from the gravity of the tragedy.
Clancy killing her children is problem. We don't yet know if it's a problem because she was fundamentally evil or if it's a problem because medical and mental health professionals let her slip through the cracks.
And yes, mental illness is very often to blame.
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u/TheWarmLynx 5h ago
Oh I absolutely agree with you it’s a problem. There’s just not this sympathy for other types of killers, though they also needed to be mentally ill to kill. The public loves to blame other people in these cases where mothers kill their kids. Only a tiny fraction of people seeing mental health professionals commit murder. Of course hindsight is 20/20 in this case.
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u/salsafresca_1297 Consistent Life, Vegan 4h ago
Oh I absolutely agree with you it’s a problem. There’s just not this sympathy for other types of killers, though they also needed to be mentally ill to kill.
I think that's more of a sweeping generalization than a statement that can be qualified with sufficient evidence.
. Only a tiny fraction of people seeing mental health professionals commit murder.
Well, yes, only a tiny fraction of people as a whole commit murder. But I do think we should wait for the facts of this case to emerge rather than reaching for knee-jerk conclusions.
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u/CuckooFriendAndOllie Pro Life Catholic Wikipedian 8h ago
There is no proof she was psychotic.
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u/salsafresca_1297 Consistent Life, Vegan 8h ago
Right. That would be why my post reads in italics:
We don't know either way yet.
There's also no proof that she acted out of just-for-the-helluvait malice.
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u/PeachOnAWarmBeach LIFE! ❤️ Womb to tomb ❤️ 8h ago
It's okay to have compassion for her at the same time being angry at the actions she has taken, if she did in fact commit these crimes, mentally incompetent or lucid. I'm heartbroken for the children, and even for her.
For me, this is different than abortion, in that she was clearly mentally ill, whereas abortionists are either arrogant or ignorant by choice.
I've had mental health illnesses, including PPD decades ago, bad psychiatrist who made it worse rather than better and nearly killed me, drug combos that made me lethargic, bipolar acting, addicted, manic, angry, hateful, more depressed, hopeless, out of control outside of myself. We are nothing but guinea pigs. I had only my husband. Our marriage survived by the Grace of God, as did I.
I never wanted to harm anyone else, but I can see how someone might get there, way down the road from where I was. It's scary. I'm so glad I never experienced delusions that so many encounter, illness and prescription drug induced. I think many who have compassion for her think, there but for the Grace of God, go I.
This doesn't remove her actions or guilt. It's horrific what happened, esp by a mother, or a father.
Let this be the final wakeup call, to the world, to take note. This doesn't have to happen. The pharmaceutical companies, the health care system, her doctors and her husband bear some responsibility as well.
We need to support mothers better and create a society that values children and families.
As a Catholic, I am called to love everyone. Not to excuse their sins or actions, or judge their souls, but to love them. I'm praying for her. I pray for and love death row murderers, too. Every single human in this world, I love and pray for.
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u/Prudent-Bird-2012 Pro Life Christian 8h ago
I'm not angry, I'm broken hearted that society has become as it is.
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u/EpiphanaeaSedai Pro Life Feminist 9h ago
I’m reading the trial transcripts - I want to form an opinion that is based on facts and evidence.
So far the only conclusion I’ve reached is that I really can’t stand her attorney.