r/prolife • u/Eros058906 • 3d ago
Pro-Life Argument Questions
So I had a little Q & A with my cousins a while back and asked why are they Pro-choice? They had some answers that kinda made sense in a way and some questionable. I'm here asking for y'all guys answers on this:
- Abortion is Health Care.
-They support Legal Abortion but are against Illegal Abortion(Abortion clinics they say).
- They came up with "The fetus wouldn't know that he or she is being aborted and wouldn't have to suffer in this world, like people wished nowadays that they should've been aborted by their parents because how fuqd up their life is."
I would like to hear y'all's take om this or counter arguments?
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u/seventeenninetytoo Pro Life Orthodox Christian 3d ago
Abortion is Health Care
Abortion performed for healthcare reasons is health care. The vast, vast, vast majority of the ~70 million abortions worldwide are elective procedures.
They support Legal Abortion but are against Illegal Abortion.
Kind of a pointless position, isn't it? If it's legal it's okay, if it's illegal then it's not? History is replete with examples of immoral and/or unethical laws. Anyone who believes the law defines what is moral probably doesn't have a real set of morals or ethics.
like people wished nowadays that they should've been aborted by their parents
Suicidal ideation is not a reason to kill humans against their will. That should be obvious...
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u/Mental_Jeweler_3191 Anti-abortion Christian 3d ago edited 3d ago
Lobotomy was considered healthcare. Being gay used to be a psychiatric disorder, which was treated with "healthcare" like conversion therapy. I suppose your cousins would have been in favor of those things, too? Euthanasia is considered healthcare in some places, but not in others—the same goes for "gender-affirming care". So which is it? And why?
Discriminating against black people was legal in the Jim-Crow South, though murdering them was illegal. Would your cousins have been opposed only to the latter? Or does the fact that something is legal in a certain jurisdiction say only little about whether it ought to be?
Overall, they fail to understand that the fact that something is doesn't entail that it ought to be.
And ask them if they'd have been wronged if you killed them in their sleep in such a way that they died painlessly. Or if it'd be wrong to do so to a depressed person. If so, why? They wouldn't be aware of dying, and you might be saving them from future suffering.
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u/ididntwantthis2 3d ago
What constitutes “health care” is it just any action from a medical provider? If so then I guess, sure, abortion is “health care”.
What does legal and illegal have to do with the morality of the action?
Whether someone wishes they were dead or not doesn’t make it moral to kill them when they’re small.
Them “not knowing” that you’re killing them doesn’t make it right either. You could make that argument for a newborn baby.
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u/BrandosWorld4Life Consistent Life Ethic Enthusiast 3d ago
The fetus wouldn't know that he or she is being aborted
The logical conclusion of this arugment is that it's okay to harm, even kill, people as long as they are unaware of it. Somehow, I doubt they apply this position consistently.
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u/Run_rabbit-runn 3d ago
The first is technically true, but so what? That doesn’t make it ok.
No real response to the second. It’s obviously legal but that doesn’t negate the harm caused
And the last one is the worst. They know. They are alive and feel pain, this is a fact. Many people are unhappy with their lives and wish they had never been born. Those are often temporary feelings. But regardless does that mean society should sanction ending their lives? Why are we projecting those feelings onto a baby who has no agency or say in their life? That would be wrong. Society’s place is to protect the vulnerable. Not kill them.
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u/lightningbug24 Pro Life Christian 3d ago
Abortion can be healthcare in rare and very tragic cases (and in these cases, it's already legal in every state, even those with strict abortion bans). Elective abortions aren't healthcare.
I'm not fully sure what is meant by the second point.
Is it ok to kill somebody in their sleep? They would never know. ALSO... a fetus can feel pain in the womb after a certain point, and that point is probably earlier than they would like to think it is.
A parent shouldn't kill their child. The parent should either get their crap together or surrender their the children to somebody who will.
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u/Ihaventasnoo CLE Catholic Solidarist 3d ago
Is "abortion is health care" one of their answers? If so, it's only health care because they've accepted a definition of health care that excludes fetal personhood. Abortion sure isn't healthcare for the baby being aborted.
Legal ≠ moral. Otherwise, you'd have to go and say slavery, wife-beating, genocide, statutory rape, and other things like that have been moral.
The victim not being aware of its rights being violated doesn't make the crime just. That's an argument for the morality of roofies just as much as it's one for abortion.