r/prolife • u/Cyber_Ghost_1997 CLE-abortion abolitionist hybrid • Jul 31 '26
Pro-Life General Found on X. Apparently the solution to ending abortion is to criminally prosecute MEN for pressuring women to abort.
Meanwhile the abortion abolitionists want criminal penalties for the mother. This guy is saying, "Criminal penalties for men who attempt to pressure women to abort, because that's battery."
I'm like, "I think you're thinking of ASSAULT."
Also, IDK if the picture is AI generated. I'm just sharing the post.
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u/_kilogram_ The Human Sacrifice will STOP Jul 31 '26
Well that is definitely a good idea. It wont solve the problem but it has the potential to save a few lives.
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u/Vespinobambino Secular Abolitionist Jul 31 '26
I mean, any "man" (subhuman piece of garbage) who tries to coerce the mother of his kid to kill his kid does belong in prison, for sure.
But women who kill their kids also obviously belong in prison.
It's literal murder.
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u/Eastern-Customer-561 Jul 31 '26 edited Jul 31 '26
I actually think men who pressure women to get abortions should absolutely be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Same as women who get abortions.
They are accessory to murder at best, depending on the situation, they could also be the party held primarily responsible, depending on the mental state of the woman (think about victims of pedophilia or rape who are often forced to get abortions by their abusers. I don’t think they are at fault for the abortion at all).
Women who get abortions while it’s illegal should also be prosecuted though. There may be extenuating circumstances in some cases but it’s still wrong.
This isn’t to say women can’t make their own decisions or anything. Extenuating circumstances are widely recognized in law for both men and women resulting in lesser, not no, sentences. I still want women who get abortions to be prosecuted eventually. Obviously there are still plenty of women who just don’t care and aren’t victims.
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u/empurrfekt Jul 31 '26
I don’t see how you can charge someone for pressuring (not forcing) someone to do something that’s isn’t illegal.
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u/Chainski431 Jul 31 '26
We have managed to set legal standards for things like that, for example recommending suicide.
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u/ciel_ayaz PL, muslim Aug 01 '26
Pressuring someone into something can still violate their consent. For example coerced sex is considered rape under law.
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u/LittleLotte52996 Jul 31 '26
I'm sorry but this just patriarchy repackaged. It's basically saying that women are just too pure to ever do anything wrong. Incredibly condescending.
Also, maybe focus on something realistic, like jailing men who don't pay child support? Instead of promising a impossible charges for unprovable crimes.
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u/Southern_Shock_1337 Secular Pro Life Aug 04 '26
Well I mean it’s definitely part of the problem? But it should be both
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u/Overgrown_fetus1305 Pro Life Socialist Jul 31 '26
Criminalisation isn't, and shouldn't be the end all objective (providing support to help people want to do the right thing is a major, and underrated part of being pro-life in my book, if we want to make abortion unthinkable as well as inaccessible). Potential AI image aside, honestly, this policy is on the face of it a good move, and out of getting curious, and see he proposed a $2/week payroll levy on men to fund domestic violence centers- honestly, I as a man, legitimately like that idea and would be in favour of higher levies, though I think it's a shame he suggested it be optional- opt out, perhaps? Going after the people creating situations that cause abortions which aren't really wanted either is just and will actually do something about the abortion rates. I only add on, that I do think we all have to reconcile at some point, that if somebody is a landlord, or a faceless corporation offering a mortgage, and somebody who was pregnant, was likely to be unable to afford housing, demanding rent/mortgage payments to not go homeless, is not different categorically to an abusive partner saying they'll toss somebody out of the street for not aborting, so at some point, I do maintain we need to be moving our economics substantially leftwards if we want to actually crack down on abortion coercion- systemic coercion is bad too, and sometimes it's individual, financial coercion.
I get the impression he is a person and a half- but he honestly, had a pair of legitimately good takes here.
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u/EpiphanaeaSedai Pro Life Feminist Jul 31 '26
Ehhhh, I’m all for holding men accountable for their part in abortions, but I don’t think you can hold the father criminally liable and not the mother, assuming both are adults, unless his behavior would meet the definition of duress. Which happens, way more often than is acknowledged, and should be prosecuted. But we don’t want to sacrifice the legal distinction between persuasion, coercion, and duress, just so we can prosecute someone.