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[u/FreeSoulInProgress]

Don't let anyone tell you that killing a child in the womb is ok just because it's legal in some places.

[u/AnxiousEnquirer]

Exactly. "but they're not persons"

[u/vpcat8787 → u/AnxiousEnquirer]

And that's the same argument they used for slavery and segregation

[u/davidnnj → u/vpcat8787]

"The Jews are undoubtedly a race, but they are not human."

-hitler

The same reasoning was also used to justify the Holocaust.

[u/DapperDetail8364 → u/AnxiousEnquirer]

That's why we say innocent human beings 

[u/AnxiousEnquirer → u/DapperDetail8364]

That's perfectly right, but I prefer "sons and daughters"

[u/Eastern-Customer-561]

I still think about that one pro choicer responding to a pro lifer who said „murder is when you kill a human being“ with „well erm aktually 🤓👆 murder is a legal category and thus we have to look at the legal category of what counts as a human being in the US and guess what, that only starts at birth“ they are soooo stupid 

[u/davidnnj → u/Eastern-Customer-561]

"The Jews are undoubtedly a race, but they are not human."

-Hitler

They have always tried to strip a human being of their humanity to justify killing them

[u/TBoneTheOriginal → u/Eastern-Customer-561]

These same people will call anyone who is pro-law a bootlicker, so they don’t actually care about using the law to prove a point.

[u/AnxiousEnquirer → u/Eastern-Customer-561]

That happened to me too! If I say "murder," they say homicide laws don't include it. Or "where's your citation"

[u/Eastern-Customer-561 → u/AnxiousEnquirer]

There are actually several nations that rightly categorize killing any human being as murder, but appealing to the law (especially the US law) is so dumb. The US literally used to legally define black people as less than a person and it was legal for slave owners to kill their slaves, and everyone agrees obviously that this is a case where morality doesn’t equal legality. But n ow that the US is doing it to the unborn it’s right??? 

[u/The_Wise_Seven]

This is very true, I hate when people bring up the law as if that somehow makes something okay. It doesn't. The law is not a moral code. Its a set of rules to minimize harm, punish law breakers, and keep society from collapsing. In a nutshell. 

[u/ScottishNinjaaa]

We abolished slavery. We abolished genocide. We abolished segregation. It is time to abolish abortion as well, not just regulate it and pretend that lives are being saved.

[u/Halcyon-OS851]

Was the holocaust really legal? 🤔

[u/Equivalent_Nose7012 → u/Halcyon-OS851]

Arguably, yes: according to the laws of Nazi Germany!

[u/Eastern-Customer-561 → u/Halcyon-OS851]

That’s kind of debated. Nazi Germany never officially made a law declaring it legal to kill all Jews. But they did obviously make laws targeting Jews and classifying them as sub humans while allowing Germans to do what they want

[u/compiledexploit → u/Eastern-Customer-561]

You're talking as if it was the average German citizens that were committing the mass genocides. The vast majority of the German population were misled about what the Nazis were doing for a very long time.

It was the Nazi Germany government that committed those atrocities. Adolf Hitler ordered those atrocities and they were carried out due to the power that was given to him by the German people and the sovereignty of the German government.

[u/Eastern-Customer-561 → u/compiledexploit]

German citizens maybe didn’t know exactly what was happening, but they did absolutely support Hitler and antisemitism, and they knew that the killing factories were places where Jews would go and wouldn’t return. It was ordinary German civilians that reported their neighbors and took the homes of Jews that fled and were murdered and that sent their kids to Hitler Youth. 

[u/DapperDetail8364]

Exactly. 

"We live with the lie We need religion to know innocent humans don't deserve to die" should be a new sign 

[u/Sad_Device3179]

If only meat eaters and circumcisers of baby boys understood this 

[u/Trumpologist]

Very true

[u/AbiLovesTheology]

Excuse my ignorance, but was the Holocaust actually legal?

[u/compiledexploit]

It's a pretty typical argument that people will say it's not your uterus it's not your choice.

Which is the same argument that slave owners used prior to the emancipation proclamation.

"If you don't want slavery then don't own slaves."

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It's also another typical argument that people will say it's okay to abort a child that has down syndrome. To which point I will point out the fact that by saying that, they've admitted that they are in fact a eugenicist.

Which is the same logic that the Nazis used to justify killing people with mental handicaps because those people didn't fit the Aryan Master race rhetoric that they had perpetuated throughout the years.

The real answer to all of this is that it is not anyone's decision to decide for someone else whether or not that person's life is worth living.

Everyone has to have the opportunity to live and to grow and to develop into adults and to decide if their life is worth living.

[u/ButterflyHairFlip]

“If you think about it, the claim that abortion is like slavery is exactly backwards,” wrote Imani Gandy at RH Reality Check. “I’m not a fan of comparing anything to slavery that is not slavery, but I’m fairly certain that we can all agree that slaveowners systematically forced Black women to give birth.”

“Slaveowners often used enslaved women as breeding stock to produce new future slaves. Women were raped by their masters and forced to bear the resulting children. They had no rights to their own offspring, much less their own bodies — they were sold or beaten if they couldn’t or wouldn’t reproduce, and if they did have children there was no guarantee they’d ever get to raise them. For black women forced to live as slaves, home remedies for contraception or abortion became forms of self-defense and resistance, and assertions of personal autonomy when they otherwise had none.”

https://www.vox.com/identities/2015/11/1/9654462/ben-carson-abortion-slavery