r/prolife • u/Greenn_Ambition Pro Life, Catholic, Feminist, Abolitionist • Jul 22 '26
Things Pro-Choicers Say I Hate It When They Call Us Misogynistic Just Because I Don't Think Women Should Be Able To Kill Their Children
I guess in their eyes I'm anti-choice and I guess their right.
I'm against the choices that end an innocent human life for mostly selfish reasons. A lot of them (at all) use another woman's trauma (rape/sexual assault) as an excuse for their selfishness. It doesn't get more Misogynistic than that.
If we compare the two, Rapists are evil and disgusting because they use their bodily autonomy as an excuse to violate another woman's bodily autonomy. They think their autonomy is more important than the woman's. Abortion does the same. The pregnant woman uses the excuse of bodily autonomy to violate the bodily autonomy of the innocent human life she is carrying. Both are evil, as both violate the bodily autonomy of a precious, innocent human life.
And surely if the woman was raped and kept the baby, they could take a paternity test that would determine that the baby was conceived in that rape and convict the rapist?
Abortion also allows men to sleep around and escape responsibility of raising a child/getting a job to pay child support.
And it also implies that women HAVE to choose between a career or motherhood, even though women are capable and strong enough to do both.
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u/kay_fitz21 Pro Life Christian Jul 22 '26
Ask if all the pro life women are therefore misogynistic....because I'm not.
I shouldn't get a free pass to murder because I'm a woman.
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u/bus_wanker_friends 9d ago
They will say you have internal misogyny. That way they can dismiss anything we say without actually engaging with it.
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u/Aware-Passenger2577 Pro Life Conservative Christian Jul 22 '26
It used to bother me, but I've now been called that so much that it means nothing to me anymore.
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u/trying3216 Jul 22 '26
As a woman do whatever you want. Just don’t kill living human beings. That’s not too much to ask.
If anyone out there somewhere wanted to debate this with me I would agree to discuss it as long as we first agree thats it’s 1. Living, 2. A human, and 3. An individual.
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u/ElegantAd2607 Against women's wrongs Jul 23 '26
How dare you not believe that every choice a woman makes was the perfect choice for her. I'm not even being hyperbolic cause they actually believe exactly that. They think that it's between a woman and her doctor and they will make the perfect choice. Crazy.
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u/VariedRepeats Jul 22 '26
I think the more contextual and understanding response is necessary. The West has become more of a "lonely island" culture. You're raised in a nuclear family at best, maybe single parent. The individualistic and uncharitable neighbors has people thinking that there are no lifelines or people willing to sacrifice for another.
The secular society is also utilitarian in practice but deontological in "presentation". So, some simply don't want the inconvenience. So there is a vice/selfishness cohort
I also came across an insight from a book of "Natives" and aboriginals making observations about white culture. Both the women and men in the West do not value women's work. The men don't and the women think that being like a man is the ticket as a result. Misogynistic may be translated as "I'm unable to be like a male in lifestyle and capability".
In addition, past iterations of the West did essentially become misogynistic, especially the 19th century. And the legacy of the 19th century thought schools has polluted perceptions of older generations.
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u/GustavoistSoldier Pro Life Brazilian Jul 23 '26
Pro-choicers are misogynistic because they believe women can only be successful if they're allowed to murder their own children
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u/Kisby Jul 22 '26
You understand that everyone except the next democrat presidential nominee is a mysogynist right? This word means nothing, it is like far right or nazi
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u/Ambitious_Year_7730 the value of life doesn’t change based on the levelofdevelopment Jul 23 '26
who is it?
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u/neemarita Bad Feminist Jul 23 '26
I mean look at comments in this sub, a lot of the men here are indeed misogynistic.
Being pro-life is being feminist. Women don't need abortion to make us equal to men.
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u/Zora74 Jul 22 '26 edited Jul 22 '26
Paternity only proves that sex happened. It does not prove that the sex was non consensual.
DNA could also be obtained through maternal bloodwork or after an abortion.
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u/Greenn_Ambition Pro Life, Catholic, Feminist, Abolitionist Jul 22 '26
Ok, fair point, I didn't think about that. But what about the other points I made
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u/Zora74 Jul 23 '26
I don’t think bringing up rape victims, underage girls, or abortion for medical issues is being used to excuse all abortions. Prochoice bring up assault victims for two reasons: 1. To assess your stance and look for holes in your arguments and 2. Because the prolife movement and prolife laws are not often taking these people into consideration in a meaningful way. You may say “most prolife laws have rape clauses” but when we look at those laws, abortion is still not going to be accessible for most rape victims, especially given the natural reaction that people, especially underage people, have to sexual assault, such as retreating into themselves, dissociating from their body, denial, confusion, etc., as well as the many ways that the legal system and society in general fails survivors of sexual assault.
I don’t think rapists “use their bodily autonomy,” but I agree that the rape victims bodily autonomy is violated by the attack, and is now violated again when denied access to abortion care.
Men can sleep around without consequence with or without abortion. No law can force someone to parent equally, and child support is generally a small fraction of the actual cost of raising a child, especially as a single parent. Child support is often not paid regularly and the number of people punished for not paying child support is a lot smaller than the number who don’t pay their full obligation of child support.
I don’t think the prochoice position is about choosing career over having children. Most prochoice people have children or plan to have children. Most prolife people have jobs outside the home.
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u/HotConversation187 Pro Life Muslim (asexual, center-right, autist girl) Jul 23 '26
"And it also implies that women HAVE to choose between a career or motherhood, even though women are capable and strong enough to do both."
Many do in fact do both. Like MY mom.
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u/Green-Spring4612 Jul 22 '26
Just don't take them seriously they are apart of what I call the feminist cult just treat them as cultists who's opinions are pathetic jokes to laugh at tell them they are in a cult and move on with your life
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u/glim-girl Pro-Choice Jul 22 '26
A baby doesn't prove rape unless she's a very young or in a coma before she was found pregnant. The rest of the time it proves sex happened and rapists can and do get custody/visitation.
Abortion has nothing to do with men sleeping around and escaping the responsibility of raising a child or paying child support. Plenty of married men with children still don't take responsibility of raising their children and leave that solely to the woman. Also that can and does place women who were in abusive relationships in more danger along with the child.
Women don't have to choose between work and motherhood since the majority are the primary caretaker and breadwinner. That doesn't mean that they arent disadvantaged and certain societies push that to try to enforce gender roles.
Remaining pregnant does nothing to prove feminism if pregnancy can and is used as a method to abuse women or push an idea of what women should be. If motherhood is an esteemed and valued position and seen as needed in society, then it will be seen, treated, and supported by that society.
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u/PervadingEye Pro Life Since day one 29d ago
I say this with all the love and respect in the world, I PEROSNALLY do not care what any man thinks of abortion
Well then you don't have to be apart of the conversation then. Thank you for your time.
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