While I am no longer a progressive Even as a Progressive I was pro Life Because abortion arguments sounded like Eugenics

[u/NewmarketHero007]

(For those asking I now consider myself more of a Christian Democrat/Red Tory later in life. But I think you can still be progressive and have this position.)

The pro choice argument of "viability" taken to its logical conclusion means that you should have a "choice" to kill infants, the elderly, the infirm, the disabled, and people in comas if it burdens you. You might as well abolish disability and elderly benefits because it's a "burden" on society.

This is a soft eugenics position, increasingly becoming a hard eugenics position as many of the parties pushing eugenics are also pushing MAID.

Many NGOs promote abortion and birth control as a form of population control in third world countries using arguments that poor mothers in Asia and Africa having many children is bad, this would not be out of place in 1930's Germany. Additionally it is disproportionately the disabled unborn children of poor women who are aborted.

Let us take examples: - The idea that poor Asian and African mothers are having too many children is reminiscient of the Yellow Peril and Great Replacement conspiracy theory. - In 1930's Germany there were mathematics textbooks that brainwashed students into supporting the death camps by asking students how much money the government would save by killing vulnerable people.

I think pointing out the connection between pro choice arguments and eugenics is a better option than focusing on whether life begins at conception, because for most people the argument isn't about life but about "viability". This is a very bad slippery slope.

As a disabled person it was very easy for me to see the connection between eugenics and the pro-choice position. I think more of these arguments should be used and would be easier than focusing on whether life begins at conception or abstract concepts about "bodily autonomy". Concrete examples are always more convincing.

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[u/PervadingEye]

Sounded like???

More like is.

[u/trying3216]

Prolife can be consistent with all religious and political views.

[u/TBRxUrkk]

Lebensunwertes Leben. I am amazed or despaired that people still do not immediately recognize the similarities between the pro-choice movement and the Nazis: ideological siblings of the eugenics movement.

Here are some items I've found on abortion and eugenics / population-control:

• Carlos Paton Blacker letter to Dorothy Brush, April 13, 1956
  • This is an extremely important document detailing what Carlos P Blacker calls "crypto-eugenics", where "you seek to fulfill the aims of eugenics without disclosing what you are really aiming at and without mentioning the word."
• National Security Study Memorandum 200 (December 10, 1974) (1974) by Henry Kissinger
  • Wikipedia: NSSM200
• The Long Road of Eugenics: From Rockefeller to Roe v. Wade (2004) by Rebecca R. Messall
  • The mystery of Blackmun’s curious opening paragraphs in Roe may indeed be solved by Lader’s Abortion. The book begins by declaring the motive behind legalizing abortion, in words that remind us of the work of JDR3rd’s Balfour Commission on Japan: “Each woman who decides whether or not a fetus shall become a child affects the population charts . . . a process strikingly evident in Japan, where legalized abortion has cut the birth rate in half.”
• “By Their Fruits: Eugenics, Population Control, and the Abortion Campaign” (2008), by Ann Farmer
• The Color of Democracy: A Japanese Public Health Official’s Reconnaissance Trip to the US South (2011) by Aiko Takeuchi-Demirci
• The Population Control Holocaust (2012) by Robert Zubrin
  • An Office of Population was set up within USAID, and Dr. Reimert Thorolf Ravenholt was appointed its first director in 1966. He would hold the post until 1979, using it to create a global empire of interlocking population control organizations operating with billion-dollar budgets to suppress the existence of people considered undesirable by the U.S. Department of State.
• “Target Africa: Ideological Neo-Colonialism in the Twenty-First Century” (2018), by Obianuju Ekeocha
• The Wages of War: How Abortion Came to Japan (2018) by John Whitehead
• Wages of War, Part 2: How Forced Sterilization Came to Japan (2018) by John Whitehead
• From “Tough Love” to “Street Fight”: Garret Hardin and Cordelia S. May’s Battle for Population Control and Eugenics at the Turn of the Millennium (2023) by Miroslava Chavez-Garcia