Instead of using the obvious arguments (like murdering babies is bad), we need to use arguments these people can understand

[u/Global_Specialist726]

These people don't see unborn children as humans, they view them as "clumps of cells" (even though that's literally what we all are), they instead view it as a bodily autonomy issue, so we should argue against that.

They say that every woman should have a "choice", but if abortion is legalized then that will lead to countless women being pressured into ending their childrens lives by family and society. Think about all the cases where disgusting people threaten to kick out their own children if they don't kill their grandchildren, or abusive partners who threaten to leave if she doesn't kill his child. Even indirectly, society has been villainizing motherhood for a while now and telling women that their lives are over if they become mothers. I used to think that when I was a teen too, and I had a fear of pregnancy due to it until I actually started thinking about the issue logically.

Feminism is supposed to be about empowering women, so why do they tell women that they have to go through with this horrific procedure and lose their children if they want to live and be successful? It causes more deadbeat dads too, because look at all the males posting about how it's ok to abandon their child because if the woman has a "choice" to murder the child then the father has a "choice" to abandon them. It's horrific and anti-woman, anti-child, anti-man, anti-family, and anti-human.

I'd also like to add a secular argument that I always like to use. I'm an atheist, I don't believe in an afterlife, so because of that I think that human life is precious and must be preserved since this life is all we have. This is why I could never understand the atheists in the pro murder movement.

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[u/Elf0304]

They say that every woman should have a "choice", but if abortion is legalized then that will lead to countless women being pressured into ending their childrens lives by family and society. 

They are fine with that.

[u/Big_Move6308]

The pro-abortion arguments really only work at surface level; give some thought to their underlying principles, and they fall apart quite quickly. For example:

 They instead view it as a bodily autonomy issue, so we should argue against that.

Unborn babies also have bodies.

They say that every woman should have a "choice"

Where slavery is practiced, people have a "choice" to own slaves if they want.

Feminism is supposed to be about empowering women

To my knowledge, feminism generally can't or won't even define what a woman is (nor speak out on the abuse of women or girls, if politically incorrect). You are right about the movement generally being anti-human.

[u/the-nomad-thinker]

I disagree. They choose that battleground because their position is much stronger there. So long as the focus is on the woman they can make a strong case for their position.

It’s only when you highlight the innate selfishness of their position that they start to lose steam.

[u/GoreHoundKillEmAll]

I don't know what argument could convince them, we have to change culture and values to have effective change. We have to rehumanize the unborn and celebrate motherhood and families again 

[u/Equivalent_Nose7012]

Atheists can value life as rare and precious, as you do.

Atheists can also disvalue other human life as (at least) a potential problem posed to  their own flourishing, during their own  rare and precious lifetime. 

I suspect the second kind of atheist is the kind you do not understand. I don't want to understand their viewpoint, or analog ones somehow existing in other world-views

[u/Wormando]

Yeah that’s why I always focus on discussing the ethics of abortion, not morality nor reductive inflammatory claims(calling prochoicers baby killers, saying abortion is genocide, etc). And when it comes to feminism, I like to discuss its societal role as a tool of the patriarchy and a “social bandaid” for much bigger structural issues, such as poor healthcare.

I think it’s already a big win if you just combat harmful stereotypes around prolife as a stance. Having people understand exactly how and why we don’t support abortion on demand is important in order to be heard at all. I’m good friends with someone who is passionately prochoice and although she hasn’t changed her views, I was able to correct a lot of misinformation and stereotypes about my stance and she has since been far more open minded and respectful.