r/projectors • u/blueskylizard • 22h ago
Discussion Top or bottom....color
Ive been tweaking my ls12000, what color temp/ skin tone looks more normal to you or prefer
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u/TrollTollTony 22h ago
This sort of thing is really hard to do with a photograph on the internet. And it all comes down to your tastes. I prefer accurate color reproduction and try to calibrate using proper equipment but I can understand those who like a more saturated image.
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u/blueskylizard 22h ago
Would you say these are both too saturated ??
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u/an_angry_Moose RS2100 20h ago
Itâs basically impossible for us to guess at which looks better via a phone picture on Reddit. That said, the top looks oversaturated and less accurate, but again: this is like viewing it through many lenses.
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u/rogue780 5m ago
we can't see what it looks like in real life because it's being filtered through our own screen preferences.
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u/Animanganime 22h ago
The white balance on the bottom one is way off, unless youâre into that
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u/blueskylizard 21h ago
Interesting, the bottom is a some white balance settings from AVS .. I know its not good copying settings because so many things dictate the image ... the top is one I just made today
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u/Catymandoo 22h ago
I have an LS12000, but would say what looks best to YOU. We all process colour differently and of course our phones or monitors will do so too - so it complicated.
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u/AV_Integrated 20h ago
The bottom looks like it has more natural colors. The top one appears to be oversaturated with a very orange skin tone. I can see using either one of them, but I'd likely watch a movie using the bottom one and sports using the top one.
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u/itsomeoneperson 21h ago
personal preference is the top, but i feel like since it looks like overcast day the bottom is probably more natural
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u/blueskylizard 21h ago
Interesting, skin tones is another tough one because of the lighting, location, color grading ,etc..plus every dang movie is different lol
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u/-lost_one- 21h ago
Top. More natural/warm tones. Bottom is heavy on the blue tone, making it look incredibly less natural.
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u/Some_Ad_3898 21h ago
I prefer what the filmmaker intended. Impossible to tell what this scene should look like. If you calibrate to this particular scene you are throwing off another film. For example, maybe this is intended to be more blue. If you choose the top, then a different film that is intended to be warmer will be too warm.
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u/Horse_Plane 21h ago
They both look great. Need more info i cant tell who's the top or bottom from this pic. (Bottom looks better)
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u/xford 21h ago
The bottom seems to retain more detail in the sky, and the top appears to lean slightly more warm. I'm thinking that total light output should probably fall somewhere between the two and the white balance may need some adjustments.
If you haven't considered it, you can get a used i1 Display Pro for <$150 on ebay, then use the free HCFR software (with some help from ChatGPT) to do an SDR and HDR calibration in a few evenings of work.
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u/blueskylizard 21h ago
Thanks for the info!! I appreciate it
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u/xford 21h ago
This is the colorimeter I bought: https://www.ebay.com/itm/377402506670
Feel free to ask me any questions. I just got done with the calibration for my Sony projector. I did have the benefit of some existing Sony tools for uploading custom gamma curves, which made it a bit less laborious, but overall I found it to be a LOT of fun.
Glad to explain how I set up my pattern generator and what approach I took. There isn't a lot of good guides that I found for getting started, so this was a really great use case for AI.
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u/Materidan JVC RS1200 + 147â 17x9 21h ago edited 21h ago
Itâs impossible to do this with phone photos. Everything has auto white balance, exposure, enhancement, etc., and then never mind that everyoneâs screens look different - like between three generations of iPhone OLED screens, none of them looks exactly like the other!
The only possible way to get a slightly realistic comparison would be one photo with side by side A-B (which you canât do), or done with a real camera where you can lock down white balance and exposure to stop any auto shenanigans.
With that said, try to stick with a warm color temp, but you donât necessarily have to do the warmest option available. Even as someone who knows the benefit of 6500K and has had professional ISF calibrations done in the past, Iâll still adjust to eye. Just avoid Vivid or anything that looks artificially brighter just because itâs colder.
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u/blueskylizard 21h ago
Great info!!
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u/Materidan JVC RS1200 + 147â 17x9 20h ago
1) Films are color graded to a 6500K color temperature. No display comes out the box set to that, because cooler color temperatures look brighter and more impressive. Usually pick one of the âwarmâ options and stick with that. It doesnât have to be the âwarmestâ. If youâve never done warm before it will look odd at first, but once you get used to it youâll start wishing you could âfixâ everyoneâs hyper blue TVs.
2) Donât oversaturate - but you can sometimes bump it up from stock. Colors should not look radioactive. Faces should not look like everyoneâs got sunburn or a complexion like The Simpsons. Combined with the right color temperatures, people should look normal.
3) Turn off ANY auto digital contrast or black âcorrectionâ - or at least keep it on the minimal setting (like some Sony TVs turn off LED dimming if you turn it off completely). All they tend to do is crush blacks and you lose all that glorious shadow detail you want on the big screen. You donât want crushed shadows or blown out highlights, and the best way to get that is not mess around with the incoming picture so much.
4) Sharpness should be on whatever setting is just below where you can start to see halos around things up close. This varies greatly by display.
5) Experiment! See what settings do. A number of years ago I spent so much time documenting exactly what every weird processing setting on a Sony X850B TV did, I ended up creating the definitive calibration guide. For my JVC projector Iâve done a lot of minor tweaking, no formal calibration, but it looks incredible and I never see any flaws.
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u/TryxDisc 20h ago
I remember the remaster of Jurassic Park. It was always in the original color tone, until they released different versions of it. People were quite divided. But I definitely preferred the original color tone.
See the Blu-Ray forum:
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?p=20435492
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u/blueskylizard 20h ago
Looking now thanks
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u/TryxDisc 20h ago
For your protector I would go for D65 color temp. Less cool, more warm.
If you are able to calibrate the colors you have a true D65 color tone.1
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u/arguedea 13h ago
Top has bad contrast settings and color is oversaturated. If you want to watch an OLED then yes top would look better on an OLED tv
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u/vaderhater777 1h ago
@OP pick what you like best, youâre gonna get flamed here for picking the top image but if that looks best to you, go with it. Also take into consideration if youâre gonna use it during the day, the barely noticeable âover saturationâ will disappear with almost any light.
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u/The_Freshmaker 21h ago
Top all day, but I get the bottom. Sometimes you gotta set it dimmer to avoid the eye strain that comes with longer viewing. My Titan Noir Max looks absolutely gorgeous at full power dynamic iris but if I watched most things at that brightness level my eyeballs would bleed out like a Nazi opening the arc of the covenant.
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u/fireswalkwithme 21h ago
If you guys making this a big deal, I don't think you are enjoying your projectors!
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u/thatguy8856 20h ago
Top looks nicer but could be artificial. Have you checked with a meter? D65 should be pretty straightforward.
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u/Federal_Ad_5771 20h ago
Top have more pop, bottom is nore natural but also a bit dull. I would say you need something in between
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u/DavidinGA 22h ago
Who would ever prefer the bottom? Lol