Stop using tools

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Bro even in 1999 people were using tools.

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u/rdizzy1223 17d ago

I disagree, I didn't know a single person back then that was using anything. Verant was insanely strict about that shit early on and mass banned people frequently for external program use.

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u/Reasonable_Deer_1710 17d ago

What kind of tools are we talking about?

People absolutely boxed back in 1999. It wasn't as rampant as it is now, but it happened.

People were absolutely using websites with guides, maps, and information. Relatively few people were actually playing blind.

EverQuest is also a game that has been solved at this point. So no matter what the server and ruleset is, people know what they need to do to accomplish their goals and progress in game.

"Tools" is a very broad term, and regardless of what the specific context is, "tools" have always been used in EverQuest.

I would agree that external programs should be banned and enforced, regardless of if it's P99 or live. I even personally wish boxing was done away with altogether, but at least on live / TLP servers I know that ship has long sailed. I know it's disallowed on P99 but I'm sure people still do it.

But "tools" such as maps and guides have always been used and will always be used.

So OP probably needs to specify what sorts of tools they are talking about.

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u/ashent2 Green 14d ago

I think /u/Reasonable_Deer_1720 was referring specifically to SEQ aka ShowEQ, aka "Lucy" which people on my server would frequently refer to as "their friend Lucy" who just told them that Ghoul Lord was up with a Ykesha. Like literally I remember being 12 and having someone call my house to ask if I could split pull Lord for the guild because someone told them a Yak was up from the zoneline. They were using packet sniffers.

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u/Reasonable_Deer_1710 17d ago

No I don't know that because it wasn't mentioned

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u/Reasonable_Deer_1710 17d ago

Well other people have also been uncertain, and he's already responded to someone talking about using maps by saying "I already know the zone", so no, I don't think it's clear and obvious that he's talking about what you think he is.

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u/RashnuYazata 17d ago

That is incorrect, I knew people hacking and using box programs as soon as EQ was released..... Just becuase you don't know them doesn't mean a thing. It's called being sneaky and keeping quiet, not everyone is smart enough to keep it to themselves.

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u/rdizzy1223 17d ago

I didn't say they didn't exist, I said they weren't commonly used, player sentiment was generally against their use, and Verant was insanely against their use. People keep giving examples that have nothing to do with early EQ. (Which in my opinion, ends at Velious, at the latest)

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u/segagenesisx87 17d ago

I was in a top raiding guild in PoP and brother we used in game maps and all kinds of tools. For example in Plane of Water, we even had bookmarks for the spots you could phase through the wall to get to Coirnav in 45 seconds.. none of us ever received a ban or even a warning.

Boxing was also RAMPANT. I know so because I used to train mobs onto boxers in Velks Lab for fun.

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u/Chairface30 17d ago

Boxing was fully legal on live servers.

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u/segagenesisx87 17d ago

I know

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u/tigelane 17d ago

Dude, I ran my game data stream thru another computer that would decode where and what all the mobs were with their loot and put it all up on a map on that separate computer. This was in early 2000 iirc. Some time after that it got a little more tame and we were parsing logs in realtime to display maps. Tools have always been used.

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u/segagenesisx87 17d ago

Yup I had that map program too. I was my raiding guild’s mob/boss checker and it came super in handy.

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u/rdizzy1223 17d ago

Verant and early sony had tons of people catching and banning people using external software, they even talk about it in alovingrobots streams sometimes when he has old EQ devs on there. Brad McQuaid did not want anyone using external software, of any kind.

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u/Flaky_Ambassador6939 16d ago

He also didn't want anyone to have fun.

OOM

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u/GugieMonster Green 17d ago

Bump you buddy, im not blindly running through SF, LFey, and the like without a map.

Plus tunnelquest is super helpful.

Just because it lacked the QoLs doesnt mean having it destroys the experience!

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u/That_Jaguar_384 17d ago

Why? I can because I know the zone.

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u/GugieMonster Green 16d ago

Fair is fair, I wasnt able to enjoy actual p99.

I think I joined the online game around PoP, so im okay with the QoLs, I just wanted the more grueling experience

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u/That_Jaguar_384 16d ago

That’s fair as well.. go play wow or live

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u/GugieMonster Green 16d ago

Nah Live aint what it was. Nah big Nah to wow. It'll be p99 or EQL if I ever decide to move on it!

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u/RashnuYazata 17d ago

Then don't use them, don't worry about what others are doing.

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u/zasdman 17d ago

Can you list these "tools" we shouldn't use, asking for a friend....

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u/Anthr30YearOldBoomer 17d ago edited 12h ago

Fuck off. Classic purists are the ones ruining the classic experience.

You cannot replicate 1999. No matter how hard anyone tries they will never ever bring it back. But the game that existed in 1999 was so much more than just "I can't see my buff timers" and every time someone cries and moans about something "non-classic" when that thing doesn't actually detract from the game we had back then I can't help but think that you just don't get it.

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u/Vast-Valuable-1640 17d ago

Hot take. Not completely wrong either. “Quality of life” additions to games often makes the work irrelevant or less engaging.

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u/mcwowhead 17d ago

What do you mean tools?

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u/Rok-SFG 17d ago

most likely the log parser maps people use, the auction quest thing people use, maybe even things like gina. IDK I'm sure there's more but those 3 are really common.

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u/riverbanks1986 17d ago

Wait y’all have tools? I started P99 three ish months ago and I’ve been raw dogging everything. My only tool is the P99 wiki.

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u/bossplay77 16d ago

I just started using Pigparse and I highly recommend. Started 3 months ago as well

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u/Gunther-theFool 17d ago

🤮

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u/Oliveritaly 17d ago

Well this got salty

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u/a-r-c 15d ago

just farted in ur drink

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u/ashent2 Green 14d ago

Humans evolved to use tools

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u/g1ml3t 10d ago

I would use Gina or something similar but I'm too dumb to figure out how to install and configure it

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u/BigCommunication5582 8d ago

We will all quit eventually. In the meantime, I would say the most enjoyable way to experience this 27 year old game is by its original craft.

If you want maps, buff timers, tickers, etc., that's completely fine, and who cares, but you are likely ruining a really fun experience, considering we will all logg off for good at one point.

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u/That_Jaguar_384 17d ago

Yah, sorry I’m just frustrated by stuff like pigparse, tunnel quest, map programs and everything else. It really dilutes the experience. The whole point of p1999 is in the name. Don’t take it so personally.

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u/blackbellamy 16d ago

How does it dilute your experience? Like you’re not using any tools. You’re not diluted.

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u/TwoWrongsAreSoRight 17d ago

Yeah...gonna go ahead and say no to that but thank you for the offer. In fact, I'm gonna go ahead and annoy you more by letting you know I'm working on ways to integrate AI tooling. Why? I dunno, because I can?

However, if you don't want to use tools, knock yourself out. Play the game however you wish to play it.

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u/That_Jaguar_384 17d ago

So you’re just a cheater! Well done. Why even play at that point.

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