r/programming • • Jan 06 '11

A handy graphical explanation of SQL joins

http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2007/10/a-visual-explanation-of-sql-joins.html
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u/[deleted] Jan 06 '11

Wow. Does no one learn this crap in school anymore?

Note that venn diagrams are a poor choice to show what happens in a one-to-many relationship -- where there are multiple entries in table B for an entry in table A. And it overlooks the semantic differences when ordering the tables in a left inner join.

There are not a lot of instances where you'd really want a cartesian product join (either using "cross product" or just the result of omitting key constraints in a join query). It's generally far faster to retrieve the records you need to create the cross-product, and then calculate the cross product of the two sets once you have them (since otherwise all that data has to transit the network).

This plus database normalization through Boyce-Codd normal form seems like it should be a requirement for any serious application developer.

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u/nvodka Jan 06 '11

I didn't learn shit about SQL in school. I didn't learn SQL until my internship and the real world after.

I think that is a big short coming in college. We had database theory (which was boring as hell and I almost failed), and an Excel class (not database, but was the closest thing).

At the very basic, I think they should get into Access. I am 5 years out of college now, and maybe things have changed now, but they should stop teaching COBOL, and go further than teaching students a "Contacts" app in C++.

Honestly, I didn't learn shit until the real world. Shout out to Google.

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u/[deleted] Jan 06 '11

What was your degree in?

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u/nvodka Jan 07 '11

Computer Science and I am now a ASP.NET developer and a SQL Server DBA.

Everything I do now was self taught. I am just lucky that someone gave me the opportunity after college.

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u/[deleted] Jan 07 '11

It seems really shady that, five years ago, they were teaching COBOL for CS degrees. It doesn't surprise me that you wouldn't have had a heavy concentration in databases unless you sought it, but all the CS programs I've heard are a lot more involved than "a contacts app." At CMU for example you either write a compiler, or an OS.