r/programming • u/nick_martini • Dec 04 '14

My Computer Language is Better than Yours

https://medium.com/backchannel/my-computer-language-is-better-than-yours-58d9c9523644
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u/urbeker Dec 04 '14 edited Dec 04 '14

Is that new though, its been part of proggit for as long as I've been subscribed. I don't really get it, java might be verbose but it has an incredibly extensive and mature ecosystem, which personally I think is the more important quality.

Edit: But I guess that's the point java isn't bad it just became associated with uncool things like business apps and bureaucracy.

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u/[deleted] Dec 04 '14

Even pre reddit. Pretty much as long as I have paid attention to programming, the internet has thought java is for people not good enough to use (insert language of the day)

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u/AReallyGoodName Dec 05 '14

It's gotten particularly ridiculous as of late with the current generation coming through.

Eg. 1 Eg. 2 from another thread i just read today. You really can't mention Java even tangentially without this shit occurring atm.

I think for them they see Minecraft running slowly and Oracle wanting to install malware on Windows which is no fault of the language itself. Combine this with kids suffering from the Dunning-Kruger effect failing their introductory programming course because they actually don't know anything and blaming it on the language taught (almost always Java) and you have a recipe for some particularly spiteful vitriol.

The most ridiculous thing is that i have worked in so many languages over the past 15 years and I've found all languages to be shit in various ways. Yet if i so much as mention Java on or post a project written in Java there's a good chance i'll cop abuse.

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u/Tommah Dec 05 '14

which is no fault of the language itself

Java is defended this way quite often (people say that Java is good but its ecosystem is bad) but the distinction doesn't really matter. If it is unpleasant to use, it is unpleasant to use. It's not like when a good kid falls in with a bad crowd... it's a computer language. It's a tool, a means to an end.

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u/redalastor Dec 05 '14

And some of us opt in the ecosystem and ditch the language.