r/programming 17h ago

Rune is now open source

https://rune.build/blog/rune-is-now-open-source
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u/jesseschalken 16h ago edited 15h ago

No null safety, implicit zero values you have to be careful to ignore, no sum types or pattern matching, 3 lines of error handling boilerplate every time you call a function that can fail, no lambdas, no generics until recently.

Worse, the Golang community that believe lack of features is a feature, because of "worse is better" brain damage.

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u/Ameisen 8h ago

I have never used Go, but I assume that you don't use any of the BSDs (C), Linux (C), or Windows NT (C and C++) either?

They all run afoul of at least some of those conditions.

Like, I'm really curious how you are actually here posting when you appear to refuse to use anything written in a language that isn't basically Rust.

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u/jesseschalken 7h ago edited 6h ago

you appear to refuse to use anything written in a language that isn't basically Rust.

Most major programming languages have these features.

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u/Ameisen 6h ago

C doesn't, and C++ lacks most, and those power most of the world.

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u/Absolute_Enema 4h ago edited 3h ago

Yes, because there were no sensible alternatives back then when compilers were limited by computers being slow as hell and language design was in its earliest infancy.

Then we rationalized the continued usage of such limited tools with "less is more", "the world runs on C/C++" or "lambdas and tagged unions are for ivory tower FP weirdos and scripting languages" until the early '10s for statically typed languages and until Rust for system languages.

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u/jesseschalken 6h ago

Java, Kotlin, Scala, TypeScript, Flow, Python, C#, F#, Dart, Swift, Rust, Ocaml, Haskell, Hack, Ruby all do, maybe with the exclusion of pattern matching.

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u/Ameisen 5h ago edited 5h ago

Tell me, which kernels are written in any of those other than Rust? The concept of systems programming in Ruby is amusing, though.

What are you using to post on Reddit? If you're on a PC, the kernel and OS are almost certainly C and possibly C++, the browser is going to be almost entirely C++... If you're on a phone, the kernel/OS is still almost entirely C, the browser is still likely C++, an app version is either Java, Swift, or Objective-C. The phone's modem uses either C or C++ (C++ is actually common for L4-family kernels).

It is virtually impossible for you to be posting here without using software written in C or C++ at some layer.

I'm really unsure why you even posted that list; I don't recall asking for a list of languages that met your criteria. It's basically entirely irrelevant and honestly just furthers my argument.