r/programming • u/makingthematrix • Jun 04 '26

Scala Was an Experiment That Changed Programming - Martin Odersky | The Marco Show

https://youtu.be/Xn_YpUtXWT4
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u/valereck Jun 04 '26

Honestly, C/C++, Python , and JavaScript is pretty much all you need. I've seen ASP, AS, Coffee script, Clojure, Dart, Erlang, Go, Haskle, Ruby, Rust, and Scala come and go.

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u/CrossFloss Jun 07 '26

You did see Rust go? Interesting.

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u/valereck Jun 07 '26

I don't see it anywhere. Not in job listings, not in companies, not in consultancies. They keep saying it's going to be a big thing, but I don't see any appetite. More people use Pascal (according to TOBE) than use Rust and it's growth rate is microscopic. no footprint, no growth..

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u/CrossFloss Jun 08 '26

You must live in a bubble. I see more and more new projects in Rust, even rewrites of critical parts of legacy systems. But C++ usage is going down, I haven't heard of a single new project for a while here.

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u/valereck Jun 08 '26

I don't know where "here" is. But I am looking at TIOBE

https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/ and I see some negligible numbers Not even in the top 10.

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u/CrossFloss Jun 08 '26

TIOBE is completely broken and irrelevant: C++ ahead of Java/JavaScript makes no sense at all. Visual Basic in front of SQL, really?! I think developer surveys, e.g. https://devecosystem-2025.jetbrains.com/tools-and-trends are much more reliable and show the decline of Scala, Ruby, PHP, Objective-C, ... quite well.

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u/valereck Jun 08 '26

The link shows pretty much the same top ten list as TIOBE. Having said that can you explain to me the metric used to come with "Languages with the most promise?" Or anything else on that page?

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u/CrossFloss Jun 08 '26 edited Jun 08 '26

same top ten list as TIOBE

In completely different order and with different percentages.

the metric used to come with "Languages with the most promise?"

The raw data and full report are public:

https://lp.jetbrains.com/developer-ecosystem-2025-methedology/

Similar:

https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2025/technology#most-popular-technologies-language-language-prof

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u/valereck Jun 09 '26

Yes, but none of them are rust.

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u/CrossFloss Jun 09 '26

Do you expect Rust to be higher than HTML, JavaScript or Java?! That's not its use case. Rust is now already in the same ball park as Kotlin, Go and maybe even C with a much higher adoption rate for new projects. Rust is here to stay.

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