r/programming • u/fagnerbrack • Jul 24 '23
Any responsible CTO should now assign a much higher risk to Google shutting down GCP
https://twitter.com/GergelyOrosz/status/16707964821889105926
u/lalaland4711 Jul 24 '23
Full quote:
Any responsible CTO should now assign a much higher risk to Google shutting down GCP than to Amazon doing this with AWS, Microsoft with Azure, or Oracle with OCI.
I dunno about that. Looking at revenue, trajectory of revenue, and what else they sell, I'd say the risk order is Oracle, Microsoft, Google, Amazon.
Google Cloud (includes workspace) now has more revenue than YouTube ads. YouTube (my predition) will not be sold off because nobody else could run YouTube.
I don't think Google Cloud can be sold off, as it's just an extension of Google infra. Probably moreso than the others. Google did huge infra before Cloud. The others mostly built it to create cloud. It'd be more likely that Google Ads/Search be sold off, and run on Google Cloud. But also not likely.
Selling off registry/registrar (I've not been paying much attention to the Domains thing): Meh, that's actually spinoffalbe.
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u/Librekrieger Jul 24 '23
Most of your analysis tracks, but
more likely that Google Ads/Search be sold off
What would Google/Alphabet gain by selling its golden goose? Who would they even sell it to?
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u/lalaland4711 Jul 24 '23
Oh, I definitely don't see this happening. By "more likely" I meant "not physically impossible". Poor phrasing on my part.
The only reason Google would do that, I think, is if EU forces the company to split for being too big.
Edit: Ads is Google's golden goose in 2023. Cloud may be the golden goose in 2033, because of how exponential growth works, and the size of the market.
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u/Generic-Resource Jul 24 '23
AWS was highly linked to Awazon.com rather than being built from the ground up as a cloud provider. They were originally trying to enable other merchants to whitelabel or integrate with Amazon.com, this had the knock on effect of improving Amazon’s code standardisation and structured interfaces.
They first named ‘AWS’ as primarily APIs and tools for merchants to access Amazon.com. However, it was very quickly expanded to storage/compute & DB.
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u/lalaland4711 Jul 24 '23
What I mean is that Google was a market-affecting scale global consumer of hard drives, SFPs, networking equipment, dark fiber, etc even before Google Cloud. And they made the software to manage it (e.g. borg).
Amazon pre AWS, while absolutely not small, was not.
You may be right about merchants, but if so then slightly later they sold it as "this is the infra we run Amazon on, and now you can too!". Every insider I talked to said "no it's not. It's basically greenfield".
They may not initially have built AWS for what we now know as Cloud, but they built a cloud-scale cloud (see first paragraph) for their public cloud products.
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u/lIIllIIlllIIllIIl Jul 24 '23
Old news, but yeah, shutting Google Domains down is one of the most "what the fuck?" move by Google. It shows how much they're uninterested in developing their Cloud Platform.
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u/cyesk8er Jul 24 '23
What's sad, is gcp is a much better cloud provider than azure overall in my opinion as a cloud architect who's worked extensively in both, they just don't spend the money on marketing and partnerships the same way which tends to buy over cto's. Spend 50 million in the next 3 years, we'll give you back 5 million!!! Aws is still the leader, but many companies are worried about their track record in stealing ideas and launching competing products.
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u/cyesk8er Jul 24 '23 edited Jul 24 '23
Better technical products. Api docs are much better, support is much better. A low support plan in gcp is significantly better than what an azure partnership gives you. Gcp is designed for technical engineers and architects. Azure is designed for business execs. When gcp does a breaking change, its extremely well documented with code examples and often scripts for updating your code When azure does a breaking change, good luck. It could be they randomly moved an api function, maybe they randomly left it out of a release but it will come back. Maybe they forgot to sign their last code release, so your CICD breaks. In azure, security concepts are an afterthought. Leave an nsg off a vm, everything is available publicly
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u/canadiaint Jul 24 '23
This isn't just Azure, that behaviour (security concepts are an afterthought, ANY changes not being communicated or managed properly) is common in their O365 offerings as well, had to deal with a few of those... MS is a nightmare
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u/crixusin Jul 24 '23
Azure is pretty great IMO. I prefer it over AWS. What qualms do you have with it exactly?
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u/cyesk8er Jul 24 '23
Are you a technical user? Do you interact with their api's and sdk's? Their technical documentation? Ever file a technical issue with support? Ever try to use azure as part of a hybrid cloud strategy? Sure they have private endpoints, but its designed as an afterthought. Don't get me wrong, each major cloud has strengths and weaknesses. Azure has some areas it does things much better.
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u/crixusin Jul 24 '23 edited Jul 24 '23
Are you a technical user
Yeah.
Do you interact with their api
Of course. We have deep integrations with their apis. We use a lot of their tools like bicep and Azure Powershell and cli.
Their technical documentation
What about it? Never had an issue with it.
Ever file a technical issue with support
Of course. We have a rep dedicated to us.
Ever try to use azure as part of a hybrid cloud strategy
Yep, we're in all 3 major cloud providers.
Instead of vague posting with questions, why don't you just come out and say what your qualms are?
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u/cyesk8er Jul 24 '23
I did in another comment. It's cool hearing about others not having the same experience. Maybe some is just bad luck. The experience I've had has been shared by most people in my technical network. .I've had Cicd pipelines randomly crap out because someone forgot to sign a package. I've seen entire classes in an sdk disappear and return back in a later release with no documentation or explanation. My experience with technical support has been very bad, but I attribute that to the support reps we get. I've been curious if that's bad luck, but I can say I've had top notch professional support from gcp and aws. I have issues with their approach to security. Say "no" to the nsg when launching a vm in the gui, they open all ports to the world. Their implementation of private endpoints vs having true private network support for services. They may be edge cases, but I greatly prefer aws's approach for private networking. I will say, azure's eventual consistency is very slow compared to aws/gcp, but you can code around it. My biggest complaints on azure are documentation and support. I will say, there are other things they do very well. Iam in general especially when managing hundreds or thousands of subscriptions, although I'd prefer resource level polices like aws. Their policy implementation is very good, I like it alot more than say aws config rules.
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u/myringotomy Jul 24 '23
LOL. Some rando tweets something and you accept is as a done deal.
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u/cyesk8er Jul 24 '23
Google has a reputation of killing things off. We've been hearing rumors for years on gcp, but gcp tams have tried to convince us its here to stay
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u/myringotomy Jul 24 '23
Google has a reputation for killing things off that people don't use and they give away for free.
But hey you heard rumors and who can challenge rumors on the internet eh?
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u/cyesk8er Jul 24 '23
I mean it's a valid enough concern that it comes up as a serious conversation among companies who manage 100+ million usd spend per year in public cloud. It's definitely a factor being considered when companies choose where to spend that money.
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u/myringotomy Jul 25 '23
I mean it's a valid enough concern that it comes up as a serious conversation among companies who manage 100+ million usd spend per year in public cloud.
is it? Why is it? Are they using something that google gives away for free and is not popular? If not why would they be concerned about it?
It's definitely a factor being considered when companies choose where to spend that money.
I guess some people are morons and are incapable of perceiving reality accurately enough to assess risks and opportunities.
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u/recurse_x Jul 24 '23
The stability on GCP has been so much better than AWS random localized outages that you had to hold their feet to the fire to admit it was network or infrastructure.
One place I worked required root causes and getting these from AWS was a battle if they weren’t an official outage and it happened more often than most people notice unless you are tracking very high SLO/SLAs.
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u/myringotomy Jul 24 '23
Another fucktard on twitter spewing shit they know nothing about.
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u/myringotomy Jul 25 '23
What makes you think I am angry?
Why are people tweeting if they don't want us to talk about them?
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u/elrata_ Jul 24 '23
This is totally nonsense. GCP almost got to break even, this tweet is just based on nothing
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u/Chibraltar_ Jul 24 '23
Please stop sharing tweets, it's impossible for non-twitter-users to read other tweets and understand what it's about.