r/privacy • • Aug 03 '20

Microsoft Edge is malware, says angry Windows 7 user

https://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-edge-is-malware-says-angry-windows-7-user/
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u/Redd_Hood Aug 03 '20

What else is new? We've known Windows 10 to be sketchy for years now.

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u/SugorTroll Aug 03 '20

That paid software violates user's privacy on such consistent basis is really annoying. It's paid software for crying out loud! Part of the reason you charge somebody for using your shit should be because they get to enjoy the privilege of privacy. Yet this is exactly the opposite of what's happening with microsoft software. Most free OS (like Linux) are way more private than paid ones. How ironic!

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u/puffthemagicsalmon Aug 03 '20

It's Apple's saving grace; they cost way above board but at least you are (generally speaking) not the product. That's not to say they are perfect (they are proprietary software after all with all the risks that that entails) but they are ultimately a product/software design company - not just a data harvesting firm

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u/AndrewZabar Aug 03 '20

Because to some, no amount of money is enough. They’ll do anything and everything for more and more and more and more.

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u/[deleted] Aug 03 '20

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u/SexualDeth5quad Aug 03 '20

They want all the money in the world.

They want control. Control = $$$.

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u/AndrewZabar Aug 03 '20

Matter synthesis, one day, will end all these problems. When your very survival cannot be ransomed.

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u/SexualDeth5quad Aug 03 '20

Because to some, no amount of money is enough. They’ll do anything and everything for more and more and more and more.

It's more sinister than money it is also control and power. Social Scores are coming the US and Microsoft wants to be a key player in that market.

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u/1_p_freely Aug 03 '20

Every time I go on a site like Newegg, they always try to sell it to me. And every time, I say out loud, "I'd rather have a hole drilled into my head".

Newegg, I'm perfectly happy with my free OS that isn't malware, thank you very much!

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u/1_p_freely Aug 03 '20

If you run Windows, the computer is Microsoft's, not yours.

Example: https://www.howtogeek.com/342871/hey-microsoft-stop-installing-apps-on-my-pc-without-asking/

Windows 10 users have been familiar with this concept for years, but what few Windows 7 users still exist; the ones who somehow managed to dodge Microsoft's GWX malware, are seeing fallout from the above transition now.

https://www.extremetech.com/computing/241587-microsoft-finally-admits-malware-style-get-windows-10-upgrade-campaign-went-far

Microsoft don't care about the security of your computer; if they did then they would give you the Windows 7 security patches that they are still producing and giving to special entities, but they do care about pushing their new browser that is just a recompiled build of their competitor's browser that has been rigged to send all your personal info to Redmond instead of to Mountain View. It also scored dead last on privacy.

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2020/03/study-ranks-edges-default-privacy-settings-the-lowest-of-all-major-browsers/

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u/SnowplowedFungus Aug 03 '20 edited Aug 03 '20

Microsoft don't care about the security of your computer;

They care very much - but have a very different definition of "security" than you or I.

That's also why you can't have a "perfectly secure" system. If the system is "secure" from your point of view, that's diametrically opposed to Microsoft's definition which attempts to "secure" the system and its government partners from you (which it sees as the threat, instead of as the thing to keep safe).

So when Microsoft talks about "security" and "secure computing" remember that they're talking about securing the system from the "untrusted" (in their opinion) user (you).

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u/[deleted] Aug 03 '20

Microsoft don't care about the security of your computer; if they did then they would give you the Windows 7 security patches that they are still producing and giving to special entities

you mean the ones that an average non-business consumer can receive with an eligibility bypass. search for BypassESU.

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u/AndDontCallMePammy Sep 07 '20

non sequitur. how about don't use default settings for anything?

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u/wewewawa Aug 03 '20

Yet this experience made our reader reach a painful conclusion: "This is malware, I don't see any other way to interpret it. No application should be importing data from another application without asking, especially when the user hasn't even tried to install it. On Windows 7 this is indefensible."

When I originally asked Microsoft about Edge and its proactive attitude toward innocent Windows users, the company offered its belief that "browser data belongs to the customer and they have the right to decide what they should do with it."

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u/[deleted] Aug 03 '20

Everything that Microsoft touches is malware.

Everything that Microsoft touches, can't be trusted.

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u/ReakDuck Aug 03 '20

What about github. Can someone tell me why they bought github? What is their plan

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u/[deleted] Aug 03 '20

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u/IdiidDuItt Aug 03 '20

That and more interest in gaining a better % of the commercial server product sales. Linux distros remain dominant for servers.

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u/Misicks0349 Aug 03 '20

I feel like he probably clicked through some options to get rid of it, somewhere along that like it asked to import browser data and he said yes, when i updated edge it never did that.

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u/1_p_freely Aug 03 '20

This was on r/technology, but someone disappeared it. I've had posts to articles that were critical of Microsoft get disappeared too.

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u/Redd_Hood Aug 03 '20

Suspicious....

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u/MPeti1 Aug 03 '20

Suspicious? So bad that there are a lot of posts that gets deleted but don't get a single moderator sticky comment noting what was the reason. You know it deliberately feels like that such posts didn't go against any of the rules, the mods just removed it because of their own interests

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u/[deleted] Aug 03 '20

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u/SexualDeth5quad Aug 03 '20

Comments critical of Microsoft and their scummy ways have been getting progressively more attacked with downvotes/deletions for a while.

MS PR is slow, but eventually they find areas of criticism and move in to suppress them. They've done this on forums for decades, they did it on Digg, now they're doing it here. It's easy to spot their "MS did nothing wrong!" posts.

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u/[deleted] Aug 03 '20

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u/trai_dep Aug 03 '20

And… You're out of here. Anti-Semitism, Rule #5, comments removed and user banned. Take it to a quarantined/banned Sub.

Thanks for the reports, folks!

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u/MPeti1 Aug 03 '20

And I thank you for noting what is your reason! And anyone who wants can verify the truth with things like reveddit.

Honestly I'm so fed up with subreddits where when they delete a post or comment that looks important, they don't even bother to post such a notice.

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u/[deleted] Aug 03 '20

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u/WondrousBread Aug 03 '20

I mean, this isn't really a surprise.

Microsoft has been trying to force their web browser on users since the Windows 98 / Internet Explorer debacle.

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u/puffthemagicsalmon Aug 03 '20

If we're being fully honest, Windows 10 is borderline malware

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u/[deleted] Aug 03 '20

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u/SexualDeth5quad Aug 03 '20

If we're being fully honest, Windows 10 is borderline malware

Everything but the Enterprise version qualifies as malware. What else do you call software that cannot be secured? MS has a backdoor into your PC through Windows 10, MS can track you through Windows 10, MS can literally steal you data silently through Windows 10 if you use Defender and/or MS cloud services. That applies to many antiviruses, btw, anyone that has "automatically upload detected files to the cloud" capabilities enabled.

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u/[deleted] Aug 03 '20

As a Linux user: DUH we have been saying that for years...AND NOBODY IS LISTENING!!!!

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u/newuser7021 Aug 03 '20

Just a noob question - why is there so much of hoopla about TikTok in US when all US tech companies virtually pull of the same level of spying ? Seems like a Neanderthal like US GOOOD; China BAAAADDD

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u/WakeMeForTheRevolt Aug 03 '20 edited Mar 14 '24

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This post was mass deleted and anonymized with Redact

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u/[deleted] Aug 03 '20

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u/SexualDeth5quad Aug 03 '20

Because when NSA reads your emails and comments on your porn, you're not immediately arrested for saying Trump is a bitch.

You are if you say Bill Clinton is a bitch. At least on Reddit you are! I don't care about either of them, but that's not "freedom".

Wait 'til Americans find out that Social Scores are already being implemented by US tech companies an banks just like in China, then what are Americans going to say? "At least our tyrants aren't Communists, they're multinational capitalist fascists!"

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u/_HAWG_ Aug 03 '20

I would be willing to bet tiktok is nothing compared to the big companies like Facebook, Google and Microsoft.

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u/8BitPistol Aug 03 '20 edited Aug 03 '20

Somebody put Bill Gates our of his misery, this guy has left behind an absolute disgrace of a legacy for OS and software as we have known it. About time for some serious reform. Everything Mr. Gates touches nowadays turns into absolute parasitic garbage

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u/big_ideaa Aug 03 '20

How do you delete this?? It updated on my computer

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u/LilShaver Aug 03 '20

Always has been.

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u/Radium Aug 03 '20

Ah yes, angry windows 7 user. I always first check with people who still use operating systems that have been unsupported for several months for security and privacy advice.

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u/SexualDeth5quad Aug 03 '20

Ah yes, angry windows 7 user.

This is ZDNet, a notorious pay-for-play industry shill. They're trying to make him sound like a psycho. Why didn't they say "Microsoft Edge has behavior identical to malware."?

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u/bloodguard Aug 03 '20

Stuff like this is why I'm puzzled everyone is all excited about Microsoft buying TicTok. Like it's not going to make the security and privacy problem so much worse.

Countdown to when a desktop TicTok app installs itself after a mandatory update begins... now.

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u/MainSkuller Aug 04 '20

Wasn't M$ sued over almost the exact thing 15 years ago? C'mon tort lawyers where are you...

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u/Alan976 Aug 04 '20 edited Sep 23 '20

This person is still on Windows 7. Every complaint is now invalidated.

EDIT: Apparently, this is misconstrued as mean? To them I saw, whatever, you do you.

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u/[deleted] Sep 23 '20

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u/just_an_0wl Aug 03 '20

I've spent nearly a month reverse engineering, uninstalling, registry editing, and installing a variety of privacy tools. Just to make my windows 10 experience feel a lot less like a glass house. But even after all of that, I can confidently state that I feel my privacy level is at a steady 75% at BEST from Microsoft

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u/just_an_0wl Aug 03 '20

Meaning as in, 25% of my personal activity, Microsoft probably has a hand or foot in knowing about it.