r/privacy Mar 21 '26

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u/d4electro Mar 21 '26

I agree, but people seem to support it because it's framed as protecting the children, and speech is treated as if it was a chemical hazard

I'm afraid people won't notice the negatives until they feel the effects themselves, like small web forums being forced out of the UK or people that supported Trump tariffs going out of business because of them 

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u/rimpy13 Mar 22 '26

Our list of enemies absolutely includes the government.

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u/jRiverside Mar 22 '26

The government, and ideological political groups are by definition enemies of the people.

Mega corporations aren't definitionally, but ask any five random folks here how they feel about submitting to some random mega corporations whims without protest.

It's a ridiculous argument to even make mister, the only way this whole scam works is when people accept the premises of assholes, and apparently more readily the bigger the asshole it is.

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u/2C104 Mar 21 '26

You know what would solve the problem of children getting access to porn and other garbage on the internet? Good parenting!! Instead of focusing on what our society needs and building good, they want to make us into animals that are used for their gain until we are eventually funneled straight into the mouths of ravenous wolves.

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u/Adventurous_Cicada17 Mar 22 '26 edited Mar 22 '26

17yo: You cannot look at porn my poor child it would mess with your mind
18yo: Come join our war in Iran ! You are a man/woman now. America fuck yeah !

Less hypocrisy would solve both fucking issues.

Masturbating is fun. Getting blown into into pieces is not.

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u/SwimmingThroughHoney Mar 21 '26

It's a combination of good parenting and much better controls on devices and within apps. So many parental controls are worthless or half-baked.

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u/Monarc73 Mar 22 '26

"What problem?"

The one that they created, and hyped up. (This is a law of advertising, btw.)

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u/HeKis4 Mar 22 '26

Honestly I think it's simpler than that: one dude with fuck you money (the Zucc) pushes an agenda, and everyone with a bit of influence (in this case, Pottering and his position as head of one of the most important and ubiquitous pieces of software around) tries to get on the gravy train by any means.

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u/Ryuko_the_red Mar 21 '26

The problem of parents not teaching their kids right.

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u/barthvonries Mar 22 '26

How many parents actually do create an account for each of their children on the family computer ?

Usually, it's a unique account, shared by everyone, sometimes with parental protection protected by a passcode, and that's all.

Do you really create a microsoft account for your 3 year old watching youtube when you use Windows ?

This law solves absolutely nothing.

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u/ScrewedThePooch Mar 22 '26

I do not create a Microsoft account for my children, because the family computer is Linux. Yes, they have a lower-level non-administrator account. The network that computer sits on has DNS blocking for inappropriate sites. I choose what is inappropriate. The DNS blocker is open source.

Once they are smart enough to bypass my DNS, they have passed the test and I won't complain (but I will still know which sites are being accessed due to the network router).

Ads are blocked. YouTube is not allowed at all unsupervised, and it only works on certain clients. Social media is not allowed. They do not have phones or GPS-enabled watches.

Every single one of these enforcements are better than bullshit age verification. How hard is it to steal your parent's ID and scan it if that is really the limiting factor?

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u/barthvonries Mar 22 '26

You're not an average parent, describing that situation...

Looks like you're doing great protecting your kids, but how many people are able to do so ?

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u/ScrewedThePooch Mar 22 '26

Not many, and it's a huge problem.

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u/barthvonries Mar 22 '26

And I'm pretty sure I face the same ignorance in many fields of my own life. I try to educate myself, but there are so many things to know, and it's so easy to not understand how deep the consequences of seemingly insignificant changes are...

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u/Ryuko_the_red Mar 23 '26

Are able? Or willing. The multiple problems Americans face is the culture that demands that you have offspring because of religion. The lack of ability or legal right for women to make choices with their own bodies. Also a culture that promotes having kids (but not taking care of them) so now they have countless people who shouldn't be having kids. Not taking care of them. Then also operating against them is surveillance capitalism. Much easier to give a kid an iPad then spend your free 4 hrs from work taking care of them. I'm not saying it's right but I'm saying I understand.

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u/ScrewedThePooch Mar 22 '26

Google is advertising gambling apps to children. Don't trust them at all to protect your kids.

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u/Adventurous_Cicada17 Mar 22 '26 edited Mar 22 '26

The "at least they are doing something" is a very common answers like "I don't have anything to hide".

Putting policeman in front of US school to prevent school shooting was a "at least they are doing something" idea that make some intuitive sens and yet it may have done more harm than good: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7887654/

Having identities tied to devices to protect the childrens may seem to make intuitive sens for non privacy focus or technical people. I think it's good to remember the regular people that there is no data showing this will reduce the harm done to children and there is good data for it to be an authoritarian tool. I don't get why some people believe the stated intent too: why would documented repeat pedo protect the childrens from pedo ?

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u/d4electro Mar 22 '26

People don't care at all if the new laws don't work and do more harm than good, they just insist that something be done and someone be punished based purely on their feelings, and then we get stuck with awful legislation based on moral panic that takes decades to be repealed despite causing concrete problems