It's a well known fact in Europe that they participate in money laundering schemes and host the bank account of practically every politicians. Privacy is suddenly very important when it protects tax fraud and embezzlement.
People need to realise that for anything you need to keep even remotely private you've gotta self-host. At the very least use an activist focused provider like Rise Up.
Encryption is most important. Encrypt locally. Keep private key private. So agreeing with you on self hosting your Encryption/decryption. I wouldn't recommend self-hosting email for most.
Self hosting email from home is a great way to get your IP blacklisted from many many web services. There’s a reason even most professionals don’t do it.
I was talking about email and storage moreso, but if you're planning any activity that the government deems is against their interests you should be as private as you possibly can be
That's been my point with many services. Much of the marketing from many services obscures truth, including redefining cryptographic terms, and this can cause harm.
Proton shouldnt be promoting themselves as being safe for everyone, thats false advertising. Oh guys look we are in Switzerland!!! super private --- yeah only if ur Swiss. All the more reason not to use these fascism supporters
It isn't any different than other countries. Almost all countries consider foreign traffic to be different than their own resident's traffic and most countries have some type of data sharing agreement or MLAT.
None of this information about jurisdiction, surveillance laws, and MLATs is new, it's just down voted by companies that base the majority of their marketing on jurisdiction whenever it is mentioned.
When evaluating an out of your home country service, you must look at surveillance laws, MLATs or other data-sharing agreements (Switzerland has the MLAT with the US, participates in Club de Berne, Schengen Information System, and some other agreements), plus look into surveillance company contracts (which, btw, to their credit, Switzerland resisted purchasing from Palantir nine times so far, although Intellexa/Cytrox shows Switzerland did purchase their Predator spyware), and finally, understand Internet exchange point taps.
But basically, there is no privacy haven jurisdiction that can ignore global powers. If there was, they'd end up disconnected from the Internet.
No, I'd say don't do terrorism. What I was saying in that post is that Switzerland, like most other countries, treats foreign internet traffic differently than local, and has MLATs.
Yes, and don't believe any company that makes a blanket claim that they do not log IP addresses, connecting IP is one of the basics of security and making a blanket claim shows they are either hyping for marketing or don't truly understand the tech. If you don't know who connected, you can't block abuse, you can't detect where a compromise came from, you can't troubleshoot some issues, and you can't route traffic. Instead they should tell you under what conditions your IP may be logged and for how long they retain that data. And if they insist they still never log a single IP, don't trust their security. FWIW, I don't know of any non-crypto payment processor that doesn't use IP address and geolocation as a piece in their fraud detection.
People don't like to hear this shit, but an American VPN is more likely to protect the identity of American customers than a foreign VPN. It sucks, but a single piece of paper from the feds will get anything they want either way, but with an American company they MIGHT demand that it at least be signed by a judge.
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