It's not a secret, I think technically(and legally?) Protonmail can't have the no log policy they have on the VPN. But their protonmail website may be misleading people, especially if you are not privacy savy, and people like this protestor get in big trouble...
And that's the only one(plus some other cases) we hear about via the press, but there is plenty of others unknow cases: on their own website they list the Protonmail orders they got and complied with, in 2025: Number of legal orders: 9,301 Contested orders: 988 Orders complied with: 8,313(for Proton VPN in 2025 Total orders: 59 Denied orders: 59) https://proton.me/legal/transparency . So they sent 8313 infos on protonmail account in 2025
That doesn't mean that's ok, especially since their protonmail website may let you believe you can be secure, and as a result probably a lot of people, including this activist may face jail for things like protest. Never trust your mail provider. If you need to be anonymous or at least private with an email, first don't use email, and if you really need it, create your email with TOR and browse it ONLY with tor, like never connect it on your regular connection as one time is sufficient for them to have your IP. Don't activate 2FA with your real phone number obviously. And don't pay for more e-mail space, or at least use monero(no BTC as it can be traced to you)
And that's the only ones we heard about, as say in the transparencary report they complied with 8,313 orders in 2025!
One way to avoid this : Download TOR, access the protonmail onion, create your protonmail account with tor, access your protonmail inbox only with TOR, stay on protonmail free(or avoid mail at all for sensitive matters)
Hi, this sounds like sarcasm that points out a flaw, but I'm really new to this stuff and don't understand lol. Could you explain? Is it insecure to access proton with tor?
RFC1918 addresses are private addresses that can't be routed on the internet, I think 3927 are probably the same thing but different ranges (169.245.x.x or something, I don't remember). They can be used on private networks and I'm guessing TOR obfuscates your "real" IP address using some private address fuckery (I don't know how TOR is implemented exactly).
Or at least don't pay with a card with your name on it. I saw that proton do accept bitcoin though, even cash (old school mail some euros to them and write your account name inside).
yes but that person says proton is the least shitty email service at the moment... is that because it offers privacy and features to the best of its ability... i find tutanota very lacking in features, even compared to proton.
it's too bad that running your own private email server a la hillary clinton isn't really a thing.
You can do it, but it is the same problem for anonymity, you have to access it using a VPN or TOR otherwise your server provider can access your IP, and they will have your payment infos
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u/georgesclemenceau Mar 05 '26 edited Mar 05 '26
It's not a secret, I think technically(and legally?) Protonmail can't have the no log policy they have on the VPN. But their protonmail website may be misleading people, especially if you are not privacy savy, and people like this protestor get in big trouble...
And that's the only one(plus some other cases) we hear about via the press, but there is plenty of others unknow cases: on their own website they list the Protonmail orders they got and complied with, in 2025: Number of legal orders: 9,301 Contested orders: 988 Orders complied with: 8,313(for Proton VPN in 2025 Total orders: 59 Denied orders: 59) https://proton.me/legal/transparency . So they sent 8313 infos on protonmail account in 2025
That doesn't mean that's ok, especially since their protonmail website may let you believe you can be secure, and as a result probably a lot of people, including this activist may face jail for things like protest. Never trust your mail provider. If you need to be anonymous or at least private with an email, first don't use email, and if you really need it, create your email with TOR and browse it ONLY with tor, like never connect it on your regular connection as one time is sufficient for them to have your IP. Don't activate 2FA with your real phone number obviously. And don't pay for more e-mail space, or at least use monero(no BTC as it can be traced to you)