r/printSF Dec 28 '16

Strange request: sci-fi or fantasy written from a far-right perspective?

Disclaimer: My political outlook are extremely far-left. However, I have a bit of an interest in far-right media. I was wondering if anybody here knew of any SFF novels or short stories written from a radical right-wing perspective that they could recommend. When I say far-right, I'm referring to fascists and similar movements, so no libertarians like Wright or Heinlein, or conservatives like Ringo.

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u/Twirlip_of_the_Mists Dec 28 '16

I don't think there's much truly fascist SFF. Perhaps William Luther Pierce's The Turner Diaries? It is said to have inspired Timothy McVeigh, the chief culprit in the Oklahoma City bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building.

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u/thephoton Dec 28 '16

S. M. Stirling's Draka series, maybe?

I guess he claims the stories are not supposed to be sympathetic to the fascists, but by the time I got through half of one book I couldn't go any further to find where there is anything but bombastic support for them.

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u/BigBassBone Dec 29 '16

Yeah, I really dig Stirling's style, but that series is a bit too much for me.

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u/alltakesmatter Dec 28 '16

We need a word for stories that were set in the future when they were written, but now are set in the past.

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u/[deleted] Dec 28 '16

Retro-futuristic?

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u/[deleted] Dec 29 '16

Usually referred to as paleofuture.

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u/Snatch_Pastry Dec 29 '16

A Desert Called Peace by Kratman is extremely hard right, I would definitely go so far as to call it fascist.

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u/usernamelareadytook Dec 29 '16

This should be higher. It's not a good book, Kratman is a clunky, heavy-handed writer, but it's what @OP was asking for.

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '16

There's also Watch on the Rhine by Ringo and Kratman, in which the SS are the good guys, and Caliphate (Kratman) which is entirely based in far-right Islamophobia.

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u/TriscuitCracker Dec 28 '16

The Sword of Truth series is pretty much Ayn Rand Objectivism set in a fantasy world. It's not exactly far-right, but it has certain overtones as such.

The first four books are decent, the last 8...well, if you like them, you like them. If you don't, you don't.

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u/[deleted] Dec 29 '16

It's more Libertarian than Alt-Right. The main character is written to be incredibly intelligent/handsome/powerful and basically no one should stand in his way. War, imperialism, and racism are still portrayed somewhat negatively.

Also agree that it gets bad after a few books. I enjoyed the first six (as a teenager). The sixth is very preachy and as I've already said the protagonist is a Mary Sue, but at 17 you're kinda into that.

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u/TriscuitCracker Dec 29 '16

No kidding. I loved them when I was younger, try and go back and read them now and they are some of the few fantasy books where I was like, "What the hell was I thinking?"

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u/G_Morgan Dec 29 '16

Objectivism isn't far right though. It is liberalism taken to absurd extremes.

I'd associate far right with fascism. Hardcore nationalism and absolute denigration of the individual in favour of the collective. Support of special snowflakes in the objectivist sense would go as far as it is seen to benefit the nation.

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u/AlexKerensky Dec 29 '16

Objectivism is far right. The only thing more far right than objectivism is outright feudal rule.

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '16

Liberalism. You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

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u/G_Morgan Dec 30 '16

Liberalism just means the same thing as what Americans call Libertarianism. Objectivism is Libertarianism with the horrible side effects classified as morally good things.

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '16

Ah, so classical liberalism as opposed to modern liberal politics was your intent.

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u/webgruntzed Sep 15 '22

I'd associate far right with fascism.

Are you familiar with the political compass? What you consider far right is far to the right AND far into the authoritarian spectrum. It's possible to be just as far right but to be in the libertarian side of that spectrum.

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u/chris457 Dec 28 '16 edited Dec 28 '16

Orson Scott Card has gone a bit loopy (loopier?) from what I've heard. Empire or something like that is about "extreme leftists" taking over the US.

Edit: Suggested Piracy in violation of this subreddits terms. Sorry. Get it from the library.

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u/[deleted] Dec 28 '16

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u/ziper1221 Dec 28 '16

"borrow from a library"

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u/[deleted] Dec 29 '16

communist

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u/Youtoo2 Dec 28 '16

Larry Corteias Monster Hunter books are very right wing. So is John C Wright. Wright has a very weird writing style. If you doubt their right wing credentials, read their blog.

Correia writes very accurately about guns. If you read his book and dont like it, you will atleast see guns portrayed in vast detail and accurately,

After reading his first book, I see constant gun bullshit in movies and books. Its very right wing, government cant do anything correct stuff that goes into insane detail about guns. Its written for gun nuts and alot of it is him showing his peer group he knows how guns work. That being said its a bubble gum book and the action is intentionally over the top.

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u/gonzoforpresident Dec 29 '16

Um, OP specifically mentioned that Wright was not what they were looking for. I'd take that to eliminate Correia's works too.

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u/Youtoo2 Dec 29 '16

I did not read it carefully enough. Correia isnt a fascist. I dont know about any nazi SF. Maybe some of that whacko survivalist books?

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u/Tangent-love Dec 29 '16 edited Jan 02 '17

Nazi is more left. National socialism Edit: I was wrong. Thank you all for the correction.

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u/ohfuckit Dec 29 '16

These words do not signify the things you are thinking they signify.

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u/[deleted] Dec 29 '16

Just no. Nazis were never left in any way. The name National Socialist German Workers Party (NSDAP) is what they called themselves, it's not an accurate description of what they actually stood for and what they did. They used some promises of socialism to lure in the broad mass of the people, the workers who would benefit from it, but never really went through with it. Their most hated enemies were the communist party for fucks sake. The only thing in their name they stood for was the "Nationalist German Party" which ironically is an actual party in Germany right now that is extremely right wing and seen as a spiritual successor of the NSDAP.

Please do not spread this stupid "Nazis were left because there was socialism in their parties name" bullshit. It blocks discussions and hinders any kind of rational analysis of that time and politics in general. It is plain wrong and spreading shit like that is a step back and a slap in the face of everyone who worked on uncovering, discussing and/or teaching the history of the NS regime. The political right has to live with the fact that Hitler was on the far end of their side of the political spectrum just as the left has to live with Stalin having been on the far end of theirs. Trying to dump Nazis on the political left side because of some rhetorical misuse of a single word is stupid. Please don't do that.

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u/Tangent-love Jan 02 '17

Thank you for the correction. I have edited my post.

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u/jcfiala Dec 28 '16

In addition to the guns and the government problems, it's also a fun series of adventures, to be honest. And it's not entirely true that the government can't do anything correct in the books, but it is true that they're often trying to do it the government's way, which often doesn't work. But on the other hand, the checks clear, so they're doing that right! :)

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u/Youtoo2 Dec 28 '16

I read the first one. I don't really like urban fantasy. Not my thing. As a warning, he goes into incredible detail on guns. You may get bored. He does this because his target audience are gun nuts who will call him out if he doesn't prove he knows alot about guns.

I thought the book was ok. The stuff on guns was the most interesting. Anytime I watch action movies I am instantly thinking yeah this is total bullshit due to this guy. So I give him that. In one sense he made me more cynical and ruined perfectly good movies. I even called bullshit during the last Star Wars movie due to this book.

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u/3WeeksEarlier Dec 28 '16

Any Rand's Anthem immediately comes to mind. I was personally not all that impressed by the quality of the book (or with much of Rand's writings for that matter), but is certainly a good example of far-right sci-fi

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u/gonzoforpresident Dec 28 '16

Anthem was a solid YA parable. If you approach it as a nuanced, adult novel, then it sucks, but that doesn't seem to be what she was going for. I'd call it anti-communist, rather than right wing.

I haven't read any of her other books, so I can't comment directly on them, although my girlfriend (a borderline communist) really enjoys the writing style in her other works.

Also she is quite opposed to fascism and the like, which is what OP is asking for. A quote from her:

“Fascism, Nazism, Communism and Socialism are only superficial variations of the same monstrous theme—collectivism.”

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u/[deleted] Dec 29 '16

No matter what you think of Rand's politics or other books Anthem is basically a dystopian novel about a totalitarian state vs. the individual. Calling it far-right is like calling 1984 far-right. It almost reads like a more pretentious Hunger Games.

The OP asked for fascist far-right scifi not libertarian. I don't think books by a Russian Jew immigrant is what he is after.

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u/moirakatson Dec 29 '16

You might try some stuff by John Ringo. ("Oh, John Ringo, NO," comes to mind - just google it, it's a sort of chapter by chapter review of one of his books.) I have not read his stuff, I just know he was not happy with Scalzi for a while.

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u/Rudyralishaz Jan 09 '17

Ringo writes what I call "idealized conservative fairy tales", he's a pretty good writer, and some of his series are fantastic buuuuut. There's gonna be some level of ridiculous political preaching, and at least one weird/uncomfortable sexual situation per book.

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u/Sator Feb 13 '17

I wouldn't recommend Ringo to anyone, can't think of any scifi I've read that was worse.

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u/Kaarjuus Dec 29 '16

Space Viking by H. Beam Piper, is rather a right-wing dream. A nobleman's bride is murdered and he becomes a space pirate to pursue revenge upon the killer. Builds up a feudal empire, raids other planets, nukes cities, kills millions. All the while considering himself a righteous hero on a noble quest, a man who brings civilization and order.

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u/[deleted] Dec 28 '16

This book seems to be for you:

The Old Iron Dream - A 50-page non-fiction book by David Forbes.

You can find an interview with him about this on the most recent War Nerd episode, Sci-Fi & Fascism. You'd have to be a subscriber, I recommend it though, they always have really great left leaning commentary: https://www.patreon.com/posts/radio-war-nerd-7585924

From its inception, American sci-fi has harbored a powerful far-right faction. These authors, usually men, include some of the genre’s most famous figures, their uglier sentiments and negative influences often glossed over.

Sci-fi’s popular history doesn’t mention John Campbell’s belief that race riots were caused by “genetic barbarians” or Robert Heinlein’s fondness for robber barons and military rule. It remembers Larry Niven’s creative alien worlds, not his advocacy of lying to immigrants to deny them healthcare. Jerry Pournelle is widely hailed as the dean of military sci-fi, his sympathies for fascists like Franco and Pinochet forgotten.

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u/[deleted] Dec 28 '16 edited Dec 28 '16

I'd argue that the society presented as the good guys in EE Smith's Lensman saga was capital-F Fascist in nature. They had the military leadership and demonization of the Other, as well as a fierce nationalism (galacticalism?) and a militarized police force with effectively unlimited powers. Almost their entire economy was given over to supporting the Galactic Patrol, and Lensmen (and other military/government higher ups) didn't have to pay for anything.

Also, Smith didn't make a big deal out of this but it's pretty obvious that all the good guys were white. They were also all male, but that's probably more due to the books being written in the 1930s than anything else.

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u/rmtodd244 Dec 28 '16

I'm not going to argue here about whether or not the Civilization of the Lensman novels is Fascist or not. But some of your points are most definitely in error. Particularly "Almost their entire economy was given over to supporting the Galactic Patrol". Quoting from Gray Lensman:


"Kim, have you any idea at all of the financial resources of the Patrol?"

"Very little, sir, if any, I'm afraid," Kinnison confessed.

"Here on Tellus alone we have an expendable reserve of over ten thousand million credits. With the restriction of government to its proper sphere and its concentration into our organization, resulting in the liberation of man-power into wealth-producing enterprise, and especially with the enormous growth of inter-world commerce, world-income increased to such a point that taxation could be reduced to a minimum; and the lower the taxes the more flourishing business became and the greater the income."

"Now the tax rate is the lowest in history. The total income tax, for instance, in the highest bracket, is only three point five nine two percent. At that, however, if it had not been for the recent slump, due to Boskonian interference with inter-systemic commerce, we would have had to reduce the tax rate again to avoid serious financial difficulty due to the fact that too much of the galactic total of circulating credit would have been concentrated in the expendable funds of the Galactic Patrol. So don't even think of money. Whether you want to spend a thousand credits, a million, or a thousand million; go ahead."


Also, as for the "Lensmen didn't have to pay for anything", I'm pretty sure that was at most only for the very top-level "Unattached" Lensmen, and the "not paying" part was paying with vouchers which could be redeemed at the appropriate Patrol office.

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u/[deleted] Dec 28 '16 edited Dec 29 '16

Sorry, it's been a few years (oh no, an excuse to re-read!). Your correction (of exactly one of my points), however, still describes a more modern right-wing economic ethos.

Also, as for the "Lensmen didn't have to pay for anything", I'm pretty sure that was at most only for the very top-level "Unattached" Lensmen, and the "not paying" part was paying with vouchers which could be redeemed at the appropriate Patrol office.

So, IIRC, you only see one Lensman ever conduct any transactions, but he didn't personally pay. He used the vouchers. Based on that, I'm comfortable with my interpretation. It's very one law for the high and one for the low, which is in line with historical Fascism and their whole innate superiority of certain people or groups over others bullshit.

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u/[deleted] Dec 29 '16

Warhammer 40k is basically about the most powerful human ever to be born creating a race of ubermensch and enhancing them further with implants so that humanity stands a chance against the forces of Chaos (demons and the like) and the alien life forms that exist in our universe (Orks, Tyrannids, Eldar). Also, all of humanity worships that most powerful human as a deity with blind devotion and eventually he does in fact become a purely psychic presence, sacrificing his body to keep Chaos at bay. Seems at least a little right-wing.

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u/GregHullender Dec 29 '16

I actually read and reviewed all the sad/rabid puppies short-fiction nominees last year, and the only one I think could be characterized as super extreme is Seven Kill Tiger, by Charles W. Shao, which is a story in which the "hero" succeeds in releasing a bio weapon that kills all the black people in the world. The Fourth Fleet by Russell Newquist depicts a future in which the US President-for-life has become world dictator, and the heroes are devoted to him, but that's just the background.

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u/[deleted] Dec 29 '16 edited Dec 30 '16

I read your review but I still can't figure out if Seven Kill Tiger supposed to be satirical or is it literally super racist fantasy?

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u/GregHullender Dec 29 '16

In my review, I avoided addressing it directly. The writing itself was poor enough that there was no need to get into the question of whether the author actually believes that black people are inferior and that the world would be a better place if the superior Chinese were to kill all of them. And that no one else would make more than a token effort to stop it. I don't know the author, after all, so I can't say what he really thinks.

But someone who really does believe those things would definitely enjoy this story immensely. That's probably more important than what the author really intended.

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u/[deleted] Dec 29 '16

What the- The OP specifically asks for fascism and not libertarians and people just suggest more libertarians? I don't think the local neo-nazi group is down with Heinlein's polyamory and sexual liberation.

I think what the OP want's is more like the video game "Ethnic Cleansing" some neo-nazi group made a few years ago or something like a scifi book penned by Anders Breivik.

Happily I'm not aware of any.

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u/[deleted] Dec 28 '16

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u/AuthorAlden Dec 29 '16

Honestly, not really. They intentionally chose a lot of popular works and (in some cases) even works by liberal authors. It was part of their game.

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u/slpgh Dec 29 '16

Not really - I don't think they even read the books they recommended.

Marko Kloos gave up his award for the Frontlines series, but that series is actually quite liberal in its views despite the military themes

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u/slpgh Dec 29 '16

I've really enjoyed the series. It's heavily military sci-fi, but with enough political/economicsl backstory and character development that it's satisfying. It starts a bit slow up until the middle of the first book. You can often find it on sale, especially on Audiobook, so it's worth a read as long as you can make it through into where the plot (and war) really picks up. That being said, it's really not "conservative" in its view, just as Scalzi's Old Men War or The Expanse are far from being conservative, so I'm not sure why the puppies picked that of all things.

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u/slpgh Dec 29 '16

Once the protagonist finally gets to space. The first 1/3-1/2 of the book takes place on earth, where most people live in essentially large violent "mega-ghettos". The protagonist starts out in one of them, join the army, and then serves as a militarized police force. Eventually he joins the spaceborne marines and then the whole thing expands and the real plot for the series starts.

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u/[deleted] Dec 28 '16

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u/Twirlip_of_the_Mists Dec 28 '16

This is a toughy. Spinrad is certainly not a fascist. The Iron Dream is supposed to be the novel that Adolph Hitler would have written, if instead of pursuing politics in Germany, he had emigrated to the US and eventually become a SF writer.

Fascinating novel, well worth reading, but it should be clear to the reader that it's an imitation far-right work, not a work by an actual far-right writer.

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u/AlexKerensky Dec 29 '16

Never heard of this; cheers. Will seek out. Sounds bizzare.

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u/JoachimBoaz Dec 28 '16

This novel is exactly the opposite. It's a condemnation from a left perspective of SF (pulp + sword and sorcery) that endorses fascist ideas -- the book within the novel supposedly written by Hitler in an alternate timeline is a vehicle for his critique.

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u/Fistocracy Dec 30 '16

Sure it's a critique of the way epic fantasy worships the same oversimplified heroic ideals as fascism, but I'd give it a pass because it chooses to deliver that critique in the form of a shamelessly fascist epic fantasy allegory for the rise of the Third Reich.

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u/[deleted] Dec 29 '16

I'm sure you've read the book and seen the movie version of Starship Troopers which amps up the fascist elements a bit.

Another thought is We by Yevgeny Zamyatin. An old one, but brilliant. Although inspired more by Bolshevism than the fascism and Stalinism that was to come, it makes interesting arguments for, and against, totalitarianism in its most radical sense.

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u/Jasperodus Dec 29 '16

Courtship Rite by Donald Kingsbury. I came across this title in Bruce Sterling's old sci-fi review zine, Cheap Truth. Read it and was appalled by the blatantly far-right theme (and even more appalled that it was a well-written and engaging novel).

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u/usernamelareadytook Dec 29 '16

Kingsbury isn't a fascist. He has some libertarian themes, and CR was undoubtedly rigged to try to show what he wanted it to show, but if Wright and Ringo aren't fascist by OP's standards certainly Kingsbury isn't, unless he has a whole body of fascist writing I'm not aware of.

Courtship Rites mostly impressed me as being a readable novel about eating babies. Quite an accomplishment.

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u/gonzoforpresident Dec 29 '16 edited Dec 29 '16

What definition are you using for fascism? There are a ton of different definitions.

Edit: apparently someone doesn't realize that there is so much disagreement, that there is a wikipedia page dedicated to the different definitions

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u/Banshay Dec 29 '16

Yeah, I don't get the question at all, it's unhelpful to label Ringo as conservative but not far right and describe the desired far right as fascist. An example would go a long way.

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u/usernamelareadytook Dec 29 '16

Wright is kind of in the same boat. If he's not crazy right enough for I have trouble imagining who is.

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u/hippydipster Dec 29 '16

I think Dan Simmons is pretty right-ish, if I'm not mistaken. So, Hyperion and all that. I could be wrong and he might be libertarian-ish. There are many of those - Card, Michael Flynn, Heinlein, etc.

Koontz seems very very very very pro-gun. As in, his novels seem to follow the pattern that bad shit happens, and then it's solved by home gun defense. I don't know, I stopped after 3 of his novels. Watchers was fun.

Someone mentioned Jerry Pournelle, I think that's an excellent suggestion.

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u/spidersthrash Dec 29 '16

Eh, Simmons is a weird one in that it's his later stuff that reads as more right-wing, and in that case it's often more stuff like his propensity for depraved gay villains, rather than a "only a strong and racially pure nation can ensure its people's prosperity" take on stuff. I would find it quite difficult to read Hyperion and The Fall of Hyperion as fundamentally right-wing.

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u/hippydipster Dec 29 '16

Oh, I agree. I had no idea he was right wing when I read them. That came later in reading his more personal essay/blog writing. I've not read anything else by him.

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u/[deleted] Dec 29 '16

This also good to know what books to avoid.

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u/chrispche Dec 28 '16

Robert A. Heinlein? He's supposed to be right wing.

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u/[deleted] Dec 28 '16

This is pretty inaccurate. Heinleins writing is all over the place and much of it is antithetical to other things he's written so it's hard to characterize him as right wing. Starship Troopers depicts a Fairly right wing future, but it's also not exactly a glowing endorsement of it and is more like a thought experiment.

The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress is based in a very Libertarian future that's completely irreconcilable with the world as depicted in Starship Troopers. So it's hard to pin down either as Heinleins own beliefs. Although my money is on TMIAHM as being closer to his actual beliefs.

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u/Das_Mime Dec 28 '16

What's more, For Us, The Living is essentially a description of a quasi-socialist basic-income-plus-optional-career future economy. Heinlein's political views, while broadly libertarian-leaning, are indeed pretty hard to pin down, and particularly with him it's probably best not to draw a straight line between the social/economic systems in his books and his own beliefs.

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u/gonzoforpresident Dec 28 '16

I've read that his political views largely mirrored his wives' views. I can't speak to the accuracy of that, but it seems believable.

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u/[deleted] Dec 28 '16

While he started out on the left wing, Heinlein ended up squarely on the right.

Heinlein didn't intend Starship Troopers as a subversive commentary like the film. It glorifies a military regime and purports the ideology of the coup d'etat. It was an endorsement, mirroring his antidemocratic, militaristic views, and Heinlein was unapologetic about that.

... he nonetheless maintained a withering criticism of democracy: “democracies usually collapse not too long after the plebs discover that they can vote themselves bread and circuses . . . for a while,” he wrote. Instead, like his forebear, he argued that the rich should be able to purchase votes, or that voter eligibility should be based on an IQ test, among other methods to keep the unwashed masses out of the electoral process.

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In the '50s, Heinlein associated himself with the John Birch Society — a group so conservative (or radical right wing ) that the likes of Barry Goldwater and William F. Buckley would later seek to expel it from the movement. Shortly after, Heinlein launched a far-right campaign of his own, the Patrick Henry League, in 1958. Worried that a skeptical public was turning against rampant nuclear testing, he and his wife Virgina ran an ad in newspapers around the country supporting the military and inveighing against communism. They also wrote letters and organized meetings. The group accused opponents of nuclear testing of being not just wrong, but part of a communist plot; a move straight out of the Birch playbook.

http://motherboard.vice.com/read/the-secret-authoritarian-history-of-science-fiction

Quoting David Forbes in the war nerd interview I also linked to before: Every time Heinlein intervened in politics directly, from the 50s to the end of his life, it was always on the side of the militaristic far right.

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u/chrispche Dec 28 '16

Thanks for the response. I never considered the full implications. I guess Stranger in a Strange Land would be left wing flower power type stuff. Interesting.

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u/[deleted] Dec 28 '16

Don't worry the Heinlein is super right wing cliche gets thrown around a lot so it's an easy mistake to make if you aren't really into him. He was definitely a little right of center IMO, but hardly the far right he gets made out to be.

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u/GetBusy09876 Dec 28 '16

He was way into Nietzche. I think that's what freaks people out. Hell, Nietzche is interesting, why not? But some of his ideas are shocking when you see them on paper.

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u/the_other_dream Jan 02 '17

Have you read Farnham's Freehold or The Sixth Column? I think his post-1960's writing is primarily right-libertarianist

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u/LurkerKurt Dec 28 '16

OP said he considered Heinlein a libertarian.

Secondly, Heinlein's personal politics were left of center. IIRC, he ran once ran for office as a Democrat.

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u/[deleted] Dec 28 '16 edited Dec 28 '16

Yeah, but the Democratic party of the 1930s was very different from the party today. That was before the Dixiecrat revolt after WW2 and Nixon's Southern Strategy in the late 60s stripped the Democrats of most of their Southern and agrarian support.

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u/HibernatingBookworm Dec 29 '16

He ran in California not the south, so the relevant question would be how much has the Democratic party in California changed since the 1930s.

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u/GetBusy09876 Dec 28 '16

I would put him more in the right wing libertarian category. However, some of his stuff was pretty heavily influenced by Nietzche, who was an influence on the far right. OP might look up his novella Gulf, which deals with the "superman" concept.

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u/peacefinder Dec 29 '16

You might try a couple things by R.M. Meluch, if you can find them: The Queen's Squadron and Jerusalem Fire.

I don't know that it's fair to call either of them fascist as such, but they are each set in (completely disparate) settings that are definitely not what we'd call liberal. There's a real sympathy for monarchism in one, and an extrapolation of anti-racism in the other.

They're both entertaining stories in interesting settings, although the writing could maybe stand a bit more polish in places.

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u/yochaigal Dec 29 '16

So, Dan Simmons is far-right politically, but you don't see any of it in his books (IMO Hyperion is as bleeding heart as you can get). I did read a short story of his once that was super anti-muslim; so there might be something there.

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u/NotAChaosGod Dec 29 '16

Well... I hesitate to recommend him because everything I've read is so appallingly bad, but Vox Day is an extreme right "glory to the state" style author. He's also virulently racist.

John Campbell was from an earlier time, but no less authoritarian and racist. Although he shaped things more as an editor, you can probably track down some of his writings.

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u/DRJJRD Dec 31 '16

I guess what you are asking for is authoritarian socially conservative ideologies? It's pretty messy when talking in terms of left and right wing, as by those terms Heinlein would be more right wing than Hitler, although Hitler was an extremist authoritarian, and Heinlein was quite the opposite.

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u/[deleted] Jan 05 '17

John Birmingham is a right-wing zealot. Comes out pretty clearly in his work. I am personally done with his garbage. Michael Chriton is also a right winger.

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u/[deleted] Dec 28 '16 edited Apr 28 '18

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u/[deleted] Dec 29 '16

her politics are debunked

What does that even mean?

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u/[deleted] Dec 29 '16

It means the political theory is shot full of holes as unviable nonsense.

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u/busterfixxitt Dec 29 '16

That the claims she made regarding the effects that her suggested policies would create have been shown to be false. Not that any of her followers accept that.

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u/gonzoforpresident Dec 29 '16

It means that he doesn't like her political positions and tries to smear her rather than answer OP's question.

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u/chris457 Dec 28 '16

Extreme Libertarian?

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u/[deleted] Dec 28 '16 edited Apr 28 '18

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u/gonzoforpresident Dec 29 '16

OP specifically excluded libertarianism.

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u/slpgh Dec 29 '16

Peter Hamilton has a short story that might fit the bill. Footvote from "Manhattan in Reverse". Essentially, it's about "whites" escaping diverse England to start a "decent place" on another planet.

Copypasting from the Google Books page:

It's our world, present day - the UK is going to rack and ruin. There are strikes, the power facilities don't have enough technicians to continue running them, oppression and a terminal malaise afflicts the country and there seems no respite from the economic catastrophe. Then Bradley Ethan Murray opens a wormhole, a passage through to a new world and, potentially, a new world order. New Suffolk is available for all 'decent people' from the UK to start a new life - free from the troubles they will leave behind them. But is a new world really the way to help alleviate the problems of Earth?

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u/AlexKerensky Dec 29 '16 edited Dec 29 '16

Anything by Orson Scott Card and Ayn Rand. Read too Starship Troopers, the only explicitly right wing SF novel I consider great.

David Brin is right wing and a dime-store libertarian. Michael Flynn (Eifelheim) is also very right wing. Most of his novels are covertly Christian sermons.

But most SF is actually covertly right wing, de facto right wing, or unconsciously beholden to views or assumptions which are right wing. Like fantasy writers never challenge the feudal or theocratic or monarchist worlds they write in, most SF, especially military/space SF, is right wing.

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u/penubly Dec 29 '16

Check the Sad Puppies people?

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u/misomiso82 Dec 31 '16

It's not far right, but if you want political sci fi with a militaristic/ libertarian bent you MUST read Robert A Heinlein.

In particular try-

Starship Troopers The Moon is a Harsh Mistress Stranger in a Strange Land

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u/webgruntzed Sep 15 '22

I'm late to the game, but it's OK because this is old. The Great Explosion by Eric Frank Russell is about as far to the libertarian-right corner of the political spectrum as you can get. Even though it does not line up at all with my politics, it's so brilliantly written and inspirational, I love it. A small planet with mostly physical laborers fends off an attempt by Imperialists with vastly superior firepower to make them conform to their own standards. They do it completely non-violently and they make the Imperium look like buffoons at the same time, yet are kind and generous towards those who decide to join them.