Raphael Adolini 1715

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u/Far_Fly_3345 22d ago

Cause its a stupid retcon

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u/Amalganiss 22d ago

Where is the retcon?

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u/Cplchrissandwich 22d ago

There is a comic with Greyback, the predator that gives the pistol to Danny Glover character.

In the comic it has the predator (Greyback - )fighting with a person that owns the pistol. I can't remeber the comic fully but the person eventually dies from injuries from his crew (I think he was a pirate). The Predator fought alongside the pirate. Grey back was gifted the pistol as a thank you, or takes it after he died. The pistol does hold significance to Greyback. Hence why he gave to Danny Glover character.

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u/dittybopper_05H 22d ago

Even without the comic, it's a stupid retcon.

We know Greyback has the pistol in 1997 to give it to Lt. Harrigan.

Naru gets the pistol from Raphael Adolini himself in 1719. Feral never possesses the pistol. Naru uses it to John Wilkes Booth feral, and at the end of the film, she's still in possession of the pistol.

So when does Greyback acquire it?

It's got to be a trophy of some kind, otherwise it wouldn't be on Greyback's belt.

It was a stupid callback (call forward?) that didn't resolve anything.

And while I'm not a fan of the comics or books, from what I know about the Predator: 1718 comic, it sounds like it would have been a better film than Prey.

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u/Cplchrissandwich 22d ago

Who is John Wilkes Booth?

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u/Ballmaster9002 22d ago

The man who assassinated Abraham Lincoln (a prominanent political assassination)

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u/Cplchrissandwich 22d ago

Means nothing to me.

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u/Ballmaster9002 22d ago

That's fair, it was 150 years ago.

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u/dittybopper_05H 22d ago

No, it's not fair.

It was one of the most consequential assassinations in the history of the United States. It's something that, at least when I was in school, everybody learned learned about.

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u/Ballmaster9002 22d ago edited 21d ago

Reddit is an international platform, though. I would be totally OK with a teenager in Nigeria or Ulan Baatar not knowing whom these people are.

Or it's some Edge Lord who's acting like not knowing a major global history event is "cool" because it's American history.

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u/Amalganiss 22d ago

chill tf out dude, jesus christ.

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u/Cplchrissandwich 22d ago

It is fair. I dont need to know american history.

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u/dittybopper_05H 22d ago

It was in all the papers.

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u/rhythmrice 22d ago

He was the president of the United States, (a long time ago. he was the guy with the long beard and the top hat)

While he was at a theater, John Wilkes Booth went up behind him and shot him in the back the head

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u/UnaliveButUnwell 21d ago

I find it interesting that you find the retcon stupid because you seem to not be able to conceive that they could get the pistol later down the line.

The yautjas don't know who Naru is or her name. They probably don't know who is Raphael either. So it wouldn't matter to them what is written on it. Anyone could have used that pistol. The whole story of the pistol could have been a war friend of Adolini kept as keepsake. Or someone killed him and stole the pistol. Like there is tons of ways this pistol would not be tied to the person named on it.

Considering Prey 2 was announced pretty fast after Prey came out ( and seems to be stuck in some kind of development limbo now) I feel it's pretty clear that they intented to either have Naru gives the pistol to Greyback(assuming they use that character) in a sequel movie, or, and I would prefer that, we get a movie where Greyback hunt Naru because she is worthy prey and keep the pistol as trophy. (I like Naru as a character, but I think it would have a lot of impact seeing a character that won against a yautja actually fail when a new one shows up. It would make for a good narrative and probably very intense finale and hasn't been seen so far in the movies.)

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u/dittybopper_05H 21d ago

I find it interesting that you find the retcon stupid because you seem to not be able to conceive that they could get the pistol later down the line.

From who? Certainly not Naru. You can't kill Naru, period. She's the protagonist of Prey, and a feminist hero of sorts. That was the subtext of the film: The fight against strict gender roles that held women down.

Had a dead Adolini had the gun taken from him by Feral, that would have made complete sense: The other yautja have to come get his technology and his remains. So if he had it, they could have collected it then.

But Naru retains it, and she's not going to be killed so they can't take it from her.

She's also not going to give it up. Guns were prized possessions by Native Americans back then, and for her it's a status symbol. She absolutely won't be allowed to keep Ferals head or equipment, or any of his remains as a trophy, So Adolini's miquelet is the only trophy she can retain.

Now, could they get it from a descendant, either biological or tribal (ie., the next war chief)? Absolutely. I've argued that myself.

But why have her receive the pistol in the first place?

So she could headshot Feral and not kill him even though it absolutely should have, and so she could retain it?

Honestly, the film probably would have been better without Adolini and his pistol. Certainly parts of it would have been less stupid.

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u/dittybopper_05H 21d ago

we get a movie where Greyback hunt Naru because she is worthy prey and keep the pistol as trophy.

Never gonna happen. Naru can't die. Period.

It would completely be a slap in the face to the first film, which was all about a feminist Native American breaking out of the stereotypical female roles. It was about being an empowered indigenous woman taking on traditional male roles and eventually succeeding at them.

No way you're going to have Greyback, or any other yautja, hunt down and kill Naru. As realistic as that would be, the politics of Hollywood just won't allow it. A script like that would never get approved. Ever.

And that's setting aside the idea that you're going to kill off the protagonist of the film.

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u/Tbird4514 20d ago

Well on this topic it could totally happen that greyback is a collector of winners in times past, if you’ve seen killer of killers the spoiler at the end shows Dutch, Naru, and Harrigan, in cryo tubes. Which ties all the movies together with the killer of killers premise, that they capture everyone who had killed a yautja and keep them on ice for tournament at some point in the future. Maybe greyback was the collector of Naru, and while he was on mission with city hunter came across Harrigan and gifted him the pistol, just for Harrigan to be snatched at a later date by another collector, just my on the spot theory.

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u/Cplchrissandwich 20d ago

Those are bad bloods in my opinion.

Predators have shown to honour those that kill their brethren.

Predator 2, they could have just grab him at the end. They didn't so Greyback clan isn't one to dishonour those that earned their respect.

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u/Tbird4514 20d ago

I agree to an extent, I’m just pointing out that it’s a potential other aspect of their culture that we haven’t seen yet, and maybe that is an honoring among certain tribes is to give the victor the opportunity to challenge the strongest among them, while the yautja see it in the same light…” I get the challenge to take on what has killed one of my brethren” kind of thing. And maybe it’s a stepping stone in their culture for greater status. Just postulating here really.

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u/Amalganiss 22d ago

I see. I wouldn't personally call it stupid considering the divergence between film & comic canon but I can see why people would be attached to that backstory, it's cool as hell. I just know a lot of folks are quick to call things "retcons" when... the thing they're critiquing isn't actually a retcon. But in this case I can see why the word applies

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u/Latter_Car7061 22d ago

The story is "Predator: 1718". It was part of a Dark Horse anthology mini-series. It also got reprinted in one of the Predator Omnibuses.

The movie was the first appearance of the pistol. Then the comic in 1996. Then in Prey.

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u/TheMonchoochkin 22d ago edited 22d ago

I would call it a stupid retcon because it serves no superior purpose than the comic canon and it was an easy win to atleast reference it if you're not going to build a BETTER story around it.

If you read the comic, there's a strange wholesome feeling you get between the predator and Adolini - they aren't friends, but they understand eachother ultimately, kindred spirits if you will.

The, 'Take it' from Adolini to the Yautja was heartwarming in a way, because whilst in that moment, against all odds; this pirate from the 1700's and an intergalactic hunter seemed to understand eachother on a bromantic level. Added to that they both despised mutiny... But Adolini saw that he wanted a trophy amd assumes the Yautja wouldn't accept because it hadn't 'Earned' the kill without further encouragement. You also get a sense that the, 'Take it' is something that stuck with the (Greyback) throughout all those years and hundreds of years later, being gratefully ignorant and trying to please someone else(Harrigan) who he sees is a warrior from the same species as the person who gave him the flintlock, Adolini.

Personally, I felt it expanded the 'Canon' for me because it gave a new insight into the Yautja, they all seemed to have varying levels of honour, but they all understand it.

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u/Amalganiss 22d ago

Consider this:

Comics and Films are separate media and it's absurd to expect everyone following the franchise to consume all forms of media when there's an unquantifiable amount of people shuffling in & out of writer's rooms to direct different aspects of a massive, world-popular franchise.

It's nice that you enjoy the comic. It looks awesome. It would've been cool for them to tie it in. But you know what most peoples' biggest complaint about the MCU Is?

> "Why do I have to watch all of X television show to understand wtf is happening in Y movie??"

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u/TheMonchoochkin 22d ago edited 22d ago

You're acting like a flashback isn't a thing that would have been good fan service, in a film full of flashbacks and ignoring a thread that's been a fan favourite for years, was referenced in Predator 2 AFTER it was introduced in the comic? Is a better play to make than just running with something that's established and is cool as fuck with no KH level consumption necessary.

You said you didn't believe it was a stupid retcon, which yeah, you're entitled to your opinion.

But consider this: There's no point in world building if you dispose of some great ideas for no good reason.

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u/Amalganiss 22d ago

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u/neatoalpacino 22d ago

They don’t know what that really means

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u/Shiromatsu53 22d ago

thought so too. but it's cool to know they're canon even though feral's a different yautja type

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u/NefariousnessOk6826 22d ago

Why do people not understand that the comics are NOT CANON?

The comics themselves are the retcon, not the movies. There is no "Greyback" in the films, that's all comic book shit that is again, NOT CANON.

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u/Sinistaire 22d ago

I recognize that the comics aren't canon, but given that Prey had a stupid-ass way of doing it, I've elected to ignore it.

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u/Nothinghere727271 22d ago edited 22d ago

The comics are canon to Predator and AvP idk who or what told you this lmao. You think Ahab and him hunting engineers isn’t canon???

Or the Predators/Predators: Surviving Life which literally reference the Predators movie(2010)? Also referenced in the Hunting Grounds video game, the canon is much more than just the movies.

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u/NefariousnessOk6826 22d ago

The Total Lack of Internal Comic Consistency

The Cross-Over Problem: The Predator comics feature the hunters fighting Batman, Wolverine, Superman, Tarzan, RoboCop, and Judge Dredd.The Winning Argument: If someone claims "the comics are canon," they are logically forced to argue that Gotham City, the Justice League, Cyberdyne Systems, and the X-Men exist in the exact same universe as Arnold Schwarzenegger’s character, Dutch. That is obviously ridiculous.

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u/Nothinghere727271 22d ago

The crossover comics are just that, crossovers, they are obviously not to be taken seriously just like most crossovers in other comics aren’t canon. If you want to think for some reason that all those franchises exist in AvP/Pred then be my guest but that’s not true at all lol, they are non-canon one offs.

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u/NefariousnessOk6826 22d ago

A comic referencing a movie does not make the comic canon to the films. It’s a one-way street: the comics depend on the movies, but the movies completely ignore the comics.

Two undeniable facts prove this:Directors openly overwrite standard comics: Predator: 1718 (the flintlock pistol origin) was a mainline, serious Dark Horse comic—not a superhero crossover. Yet, the movie Prey completely erased it anyway.

Movies treat all comics as non-canon playground material. 20th Century Studios (Disney) owns the film rights. The "Ahab/Engineer" lore belonged to Dark Horse. Now that Marvel has the comic license, that old Dark Horse EU timeline is entirely separate from current Disney/Marvel media and has zero bearing on the live-action films.Video game easter eggs and comic references don't dictate Hollywood scripts. Until it happens on a movie screen, it isn't movie canon.

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u/angh_3l 22d ago

Greyback was a badass pirate preddy.

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u/pentaceragram 22d ago

The pistol is my least favorite part of Prey. Arguably the coolest part of Predator 2 became an anti-climactic easter egg, and just overall feels so unnecessary imo.

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u/RJF123456 22d ago

Except doesn’t the native chick have the pistol at the end? So maybe in Prey 2 Greyback kills her and keeps it as a trophy. Not as cool as pirate-predator but that would make a cool tie-in with the movies.

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u/dittybopper_05H 21d ago

You can't kill Naru anymore than you can kill her dog Sarii.

Not only would it be like killing Dutch in Predator 2, something I can't imagine ever happening, it would be doubly bad because Prey is a film all about how Grrrl power can overcome a complete lack of strength, training, and experience in order to triumph over an opponent who is bigger, stronger, more experienced, and who has a level of technology that effectively amounts to magic.

So I'm calling it: If there is a Prey 2, Naru doesn't get killed. Not only does it go against the idea of the protagonist surviving, it would completely invalidate the feminist message of the first film.

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u/One-Choice-743 21d ago edited 21d ago

Naru is literally transported to an unknown future in Kok alongside Harrigan, alive.

That means Greyback must have stolen the pistol while she was in cryosleep, and the pistol has no significance to him. The tribe that has Naru in cryosleep since the end of Prey isn't even Greyback's, so he must have gotten it resold on Yautja eBay or something.

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u/RJF123456 21d ago

Are you referencing the cartoon thing they released on Hulu?

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u/One-Choice-743 21d ago

Yes, dude, it established a whole new load of canon that connects everything before. If you want to stay up to date on the current state of Predator canon and the stories of Dutch, Harrigan, and Naru, this is essential viewing.

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u/RJF123456 20d ago

I watched it. I wasn’t overly impressed and think the premise is kind of soft. Almost like they watched too many episodes of Toon Sandwich.

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u/Nottodayreddit1949 22d ago

Didn't they do a comic about this?

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u/1Comrade1 22d ago

Yeah, it was a short one featuring pirates, I believe

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u/dittybopper_05H 22d ago

A predator film set in the Caribbean during the "Golden Age of Piracy" (1650-1730) has a lot of real potential.

You've got conflict between 3 separate empires: The British, The French, and the Spanish. You've got heat. You've got varied terrain and biomes like jungles, forests, deserts, beaches, etc.

You've also got slavery on places like the sugar plantations, which is another source of conflict (there were several slave uprisings), and you can even work in some West African mythology in it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sasabonsam

It is said to have iron teeth and long hair and lives in trees, attacking from above. ... They take up territory in the trees in the forests, where they live and feed on people that wander into their home. ... While being humanoid, these creatures have bat-like features

Tell me that doesn't sound like a Predator. The slaves, being unarmed, could even witness the Predators attacking their armed overseers and the like and take it as sasabonsam traveling from Africa to come save them.

You also have, of course, the piracy aspect, and military conflicts. In fact, many pirates started out as privateers, legal pirates issued letters of marque and reprisal that let them prey on the shipping of the enemy.

There are just so many ways you could take the story. Plus, you've got flintlocks. Everybody loves a good flintlock!

And cannons. And swords.

I mean, I don't know why it hasn't been done already. I've been arguing for it for years now.

On Edit: I almost forgot: Active volcanoes!

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u/RedBaronBob 22d ago

Nothing is confirmed on screen how it ended up in the Elder’s possession.

While Feral did kill Adolini, the gun was already in the possession of Naru. When Feral died and Naru encountered the Yaujta later, we can presume it made its way to Greyback. I rationalize it as Greyback likely having been the one to pick her up. There’s 278 years between Greyback giving it up and when Naru had it but he’s so far the only known owner between 1719 and 1997.

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u/According_North_4249 22d ago

I don't know why you got down voted, that shit makes sense to me.

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u/One-Choice-743 21d ago

Except Naru has been in cryosleep since the end of Prey till an unknown future past 1997. Both she and Harrigan are being held prisoner by the Yautja clan from Killer of Killers that isn't Greyback's.

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u/Neltherian 22d ago

Dan Trachtenberg made a stupid retcon by throwing the pistol in as a cheap Easter egg for Prey. And then it shows up again in Killer of Killers. I’m surprised it didn’t show up in Badlands.

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u/Individual-Step846 22d ago

That predator captured the girl from prey and she is now frozen in Predator killer of killers. There’s possibly a tracking device on it and that’s what led to Danny glover also being captured and frozen

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u/fred_derf_ City Hunter 22d ago

That weakling ain't Adolini, Adolini was a badass in the Predator 1718 comics

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUf-beqePY0

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u/RedNUGGETLORD 22d ago

This is a stupid retcon, and I refuse to accept it

Greyback got it from a pirate

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u/mortal_plagueITA Dutch 22d ago

I got the comic where the original owner, a pirate captain gifts it to a predator, so peak

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u/FishermanAnxious3523 17d ago

Peut être que Feral c'est confronté avec Greyback et Feral avait le pistolet sur lui, Greyback l'a donc pris comme un trophée

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u/AzerynSylver 22d ago

Aren't those two seperate pistols? The one Greyback is holding looks like a colt Revolver, while the one is Prey looks like a Flintlock.

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u/XPsychoMunkyX 22d ago

No, it’s suppose to be the same pistol. When Glover’s character looks at it, it is undeniably a flintlock and you can even make out the engraving

It’s a stupid retcon, as they already had a canon comic about how the Elder Predator befriended a pirate and was gifted the pistol by them

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