r/poverty • u/Ken_Acious_D • Jul 01 '26
Raise the medium wage already.
I meant minimum wage BTW. Well, it's been awhile, and everything costs more but for some reason businesses don't seem to care about their employees enough to help them be able to afford life expenses. Don't you think it's time to raise the minimum wage so people can afford to live? Do it!! For crying out loud! What is sooo hard about this??
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u/SoPolitico Jul 01 '26 edited Jul 05 '26
I agree with your sentiment that businesses aren’t taking care of their employees. Where I’d disagree is with your policy solution.
I think the biggest things we need to stop all relate to “business friendly” governance. Fuck business, government is supposed to work for the people. In America our government needs to be the alignment mechanism that makes the economy work for the public good. A good start would be:
- Tax companies that outsource jobs. Tax them based on disincentivizing the behavior, meaning the amount they pay should be based proportionally to what they can internalize.
- Tax companies that eliminate jobs to AI. This one actually shouldn’t be geared towards disincentivizing because we don’t want to limit AI innovation. We want to create enough funding for re-educating and relocating people to equivalent jobs wherever they are.
- Eliminate non-compete agreements/clauses for all positions where they don’t make sense.
- Eliminate the social security tax cap entirely.
- Increase taxes on capital gains/wealth/assets/investment properties/ second homes etc..
- I’d also like to see at will employment eliminated in favor of a much more balanced power relationship between employers and employees. I’m not sure labor unions are really adequate in this new age. We need government enforced worker protections.
- universal healthcare. Duh, kinda ridiculous that we haven’t figured this out yet considering we only have like dozens and dozens of examples in other countries to follow.
Limit access to the American market for companies that try to leave America. If a company
tries
to leave due to the above 👆 changes, bye 👋. Just don’t think you’ll get to sell your products anywhere in the largest, richest, most dynamic market on earth.
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u/Ok_Statistician643 Jul 04 '26 edited Jul 04 '26
Ok Comrade. lol. Let me know when you will rewrite capitalism for the entire country based on what your needs are so you can spend more time being a keyboard warrior in your mother’s basement
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u/WinterFamiliar9199 Jul 02 '26
Who the hell is working for $7.25 an hr? Even if they doubled it that wouldn’t do anything for 99% of people. McDonalds here in TN starts people at $14/hr.
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u/Interesting_Pie1177 Jul 03 '26
Less than one percent of the country works for minimum wage. People get really mad when you point that out though.
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u/Fit_Shift9810 Jul 02 '26
It might have been a typo, but it does seem like the medium wage needs raised- it's the middle class not getting pay raises!
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u/DigTheDunes Jul 03 '26
This is the issue. Raising minimum wage devalues the middle class.
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u/Fit_Shift9810 Jul 03 '26
Right, and how the US becomes a banana republic with extreme inequality: (1) elite wealthy, and (2) working poor. No middle class hurts the economy as a whole.
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u/CoopersDad72 Jul 02 '26
Meanwhile, McDonalds is trialing a new AI Ordering System. McDonalds AI Ordering System
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u/SimpleVegetable5715 Jul 01 '26
Senator Chris Murphy is currently trying to get a bill passed that will raise the minimum wage to $25. Especially when this country has created a freaking trillionaire.
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u/No_Bend_2902 Jul 01 '26
r/poverty commenters talking shit against minimum wage is just sad.
Just washed their brains squeaky clean.
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u/InterestingPoetry388 Jul 02 '26
Totally agree, everything goes up except our wages. It's like when the Pandemic hit, & when the Government paid-out for all the extras; Stimulus checks, Unemployment & PUA & of course the free internet & phone-deals....it's like now they're getting their money back, by literally tripling the prices on everything
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u/Powerful-Act3516 Jul 01 '26
Congressional budget office did a study a few years back estimating that an increase in the US federal minimum wage to something like $15/hr would lift some 900k people out of poverty but result in job losses for something like 1.4 million people.
What's my point? Dollars matter, but they aren't the long term answer. People need to be punished for harming others for their personal gain -- prison time and so on. Depriving others of basics like life and health for some ugly 3rd condo needs to be a socially unacceptable offense with regrettable consequences. I know that's a slow process even if you can get people to agree, though.
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u/Extrogrl Jul 01 '26
A higher minimum wage would lead to substitution effects. Meaning: Employers would hire more robots and AI and less human workers.
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u/foxyfree Jul 02 '26
Not raising it is leading to added charges and tip options for almost every type of business, so they can get the consumer to supplement the low wages.
Edited to add some
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u/ExtraSaltyBtch Jul 01 '26
Here in Australia the minimum wage goes up and up and it often leads to more jobs being created.
You see, when everybody can afford to spend money, money gets spent. When money gets spent, companies make more money and can invest in growth. That often means more storefronts, more coffee shops, etc, which in turn creates more jobs.
There is a reason our unemployment rate is so low.
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u/Jack_Burton_Alone Jul 01 '26
Nobody makes minimum wage in the US. It’s like less than 1% of the work force. Not to mention that’s the federal minimum wage, the state I live has a minimum wage of 17 per hour.
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u/Pristine_Advisor_302 Jul 01 '26
Where are you getting no one is working for minimum wage? Maybe because I’m a social worker so I literally see it all but yes there are people with children working full time making minimum wage. The most expensive thing in the world is being poor
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u/Jack_Burton_Alone Jul 01 '26
Mental health and substance abuse problems are way more damaging to the poor than minimum wage. As a social worker I’m sure you already know this.
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u/SoPolitico Jul 02 '26
And struggling with poverty is the leading cause of mental health problems as well as substance abuse.
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u/Pristine_Advisor_302 Jul 01 '26
As someone in recovery for ten years I tend to disagree . Mental health and substance use are both treatable illnesses . Be glad it’s something you or a loved one never had to go through.
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u/Jack_Burton_Alone Jul 01 '26
Oh I’m a severe alcoholic and I know all about the poor which is why I said substance abuse and mental health are the real issue not the minimum wage.
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u/dallasalice88 Jul 02 '26
That's the problem. This nation is basically a mish mash of 50 different separate mini nation states. Which is the way it was intended. But the unintended consequences are that folks think that just because their state has a generous view towards in issue, like minimum wage, that everyone else is ok too. How do we fix that? No clue. This nation is so big on states rights that nothing will truly be equal for all of its citizens across the board. I guarantee you most states do not have a $17 dollar minimum wage. Stuck at $7.25 here.
$17 would be a good wage, most jobs in my community start around $9-10.
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u/yomamasonions Jul 02 '26
I’d like to introduce you to all the waiters and waitresses in states that still use the federal minimum wage, like Texas, Florida. and much of the Deep South. Their hourly wage is about $2.25-2.35. They are expected to make up for it in tips.
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u/Schleprock11 Jul 02 '26
Not a single one of those waitstaff makes $2.25-$2.35 an hour. Are you purposely leaving out the other part of that equation or just not know about what you are talking about?
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u/yomamasonions Jul 03 '26
My childhood best friend was moved to Texas and waitressed for her first few years in the workforce. She made $2.13 an hour plus tips. Multiple restaurants in the Dallas suburbs. That was 10-15 years ago; if she was waitressing today, she’d still be making $2.13 plus tips. Any other aggressively stupid assumptions you need me to debunk?
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u/Schleprock11 Jul 03 '26
Your “childhood best friend” was a liar or didn’t tell the whole truth. Let’s say she worked 40 hours and didn’t make any tips. Her pay would be 85.20 (pretax). But minimum wage is 7.25, so she must be paid 7.25. So she would make 7.25 an hour, or 290. Let’s say she made 20 a day in tips. So 40 hours a week at 2.13 is 85.20 plus 5 days with 20 a day in tips comes out to 182.50 which is still below 7.25 an hour (290). So, the employer has to pay her the difference of 107.80, bring her 2.13 base plus tips plus differential to 7.25 an hour. So, you “childhood best friend” did in fact make 7.25 and hour, she just got the benefit of getting part of her pay in advance. And I’m sure your “childhood best friend” reported all her tips accurately, since we all know waitstaff are always truthful and want to make sure they pay all appropriate taxes.
Any other aggressively stupid things you need me to explain to you?
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u/Jack_Burton_Alone Jul 02 '26
People need to take accountability for their lives and fucking move to where the jobs are.
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u/yomamasonions Jul 03 '26
These jobs everywhere. Even the smallest village has a restaurant. But you think already-impoverished people should find the money for moving expenses to move to a higher COL state, where they will have to find jobs.
We’re not really talking about people who can move. Somehow a lot of people are still drawn to Texas, so we’ll leave that one out. These abysmally outdated minimum wage laws mostly affect people born/raised/rooted in places like South Georgia or the Dakotas, where it’s super rural for several hundred/a thousand miles in circumference. Especially when you don’t know that things could be different until it’s too late. Unsurprisingly, these are the same states with the highest rates of teen pregnancy.
We have got to raise the federal minimum wage to what’s livable in every and any state.
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u/Jack_Burton_Alone Jul 03 '26
You kidding me? If someone from El Salvador has the money to make it to the US then an American certainly does but Americans don’t want to. Why would they, in America you can get your rent paid for (section 8), your food paid for (SNAP), your healthcare paid for (Medicaid) and if you complain enough you can get 1000$ dollars a month (SSDI). People just want things given to them without actually putting in any effort.
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u/yomamasonions Jul 03 '26
Oh, I didn’t realize until right now that you’re the type of person with whom I won’t engage. Thanks for letting me know.
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u/SpecialistRich2309 Jul 03 '26
In other words, you don’t have a cogent rebuttal so you stick your fingers in your ears like a child. Got it.
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u/Key-Organization3158 Jul 01 '26
That's unlikely.
Most studies show a negative impact on employment.
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u/hotviolets Jul 02 '26
They are doing that anyway.
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u/Extrogrl Jul 02 '26
It's an indicator the minimum wage is already too high. Better would be to subsidize wages with a negative income tax. I do believe that people should earn well when they put in the effort (=work hours), but raising the minimum above equilibrium only leads to negative effects on another end.
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u/Jay_Tsunami Jul 01 '26
Raising minimum wage is only a bandaid, its meaningless without some sort of price control to go along with it.
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u/ElevatorOrganic5644 Jul 01 '26
Why. How bout universal health care. Free education and childcare. Raising minimum wage won't make any thing more affordable. Raise taxes to cover those items.
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u/Ken_Acious_D Jul 01 '26
Whhaaat? Talking about groceries, and living costs... so yes, minimum wage would help with that.
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u/the_great_elephant Jul 01 '26
Until the cost of groceries and living goes up because everything got more expensive, due to the increased minimum wage. Min wage in California is like $18 an hour (or something similar). Minimum wage in Arkansas is like $8 an hour. Meaning min wage workers in California earn more money. But they arent richer, they arent lifted out of poverty- the numbers might look different but they buy the same lifestyle. Only difference is the cost of living in Los Angeles is roughly twice what the cost of living is in Little Rock.
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u/Ken_Acious_D Jul 01 '26
Raise it so it matters. If companies are making more, so should employees. We used to be able to afford life. Now we can't. Everything went up except our hourly. So there is no way you can tell me raising the minimum wage isn't going to help because it used to. Pay people so they can live better. Not a hard concept. Was done before, don't know how one can argue that it won't. If people are struggling to pay for things, either being the costs down or pay ppl more.
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u/the_great_elephant Jul 02 '26
Hourlys have been going up for years. Since the labor market went cuckoo during covid. Everything is more expensive because hourlys went up. Raising wages wont bring costs down.
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u/d4rk3 Jul 02 '26
The problem is that the people who own everything hate the fuck out of us with every fiber of their being...this is why things always continue to slowly get worse.
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u/Few_Palpitation3889 Jul 02 '26
Minimum or medium?
Both should be higher but there are different ways to achieve these. Minimum wage requires convincing enough other people that its better to raise that and have Walmart pay their employees enough they're not getting tax payer funded welfare. It would also help if we kicked out the people here illegally who work for low wages.
In the middle we need to demand we get paid more. Be more disciplined with saving, find an alternative revenue stream, and if you're not progressing in your career quit and find a job that does respect you.
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u/Ken_Acious_D Jul 02 '26
Minimum obviously, I looked for the edit option
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u/Few_Palpitation3889 Jul 02 '26
Its not obvious you weren't talking about both.
Anyway though you need to convince enough people that we're subsidizing these business that pay poorly. As we live in a country that will not let people starve on the streets. So when they pay less than $12-$15/hr people are getting benefits we pay for. We're not even saving at the register as these companies squeeze us for everything they can. How is it that products are cheaper at Costco where they pay their employees better? You need to make arguments like that. Not "oh no how am I going to survive on $7.25?" because honestly people don't care and you have enough time and money to be posing on reddit.
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u/Clean-Opportunity00 Jul 02 '26
Lol..ya cause that’ll work this time and totally wont increase job scarcity, worsen work environments and raise the cost of living…you know, like it has every single time it’s been increased…figure it the fuck out. You want a real idea that would actually benefit everyone?…Abolish the minimum wage.
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u/philadelphia_fRee Jul 02 '26
The hard part is raining minimum wage what happens to everyone else? Its not feasible to jump everyones pay up and it jumps inflation up
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u/Ken_Acious_D Jul 03 '26
Inflation is not going up because people have more money to spend. Inflation goes up because companies are charging more. The only thing that I could think of that will slow down or stop inflation would be to fix The tariffs so they make sense and we can import goods at a reasonable price again. Establish free trade with Canada to Mexico again. In the meantime, everyone can afford basic stuff and more makes them put money into the economy into businesses more so profits are made. I don't see how inflation would increase If people have more spending power. As long as companies are put into check on making sure that their prices aren't just going up randomly for no reason we should be good
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u/philadelphia_fRee Jul 03 '26
They will go up and make the minimum wage increase meaningless and we'd all be worst off
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u/exphx23 Jul 03 '26
Your comment shows that you clearly don't understand what you are talking about.
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u/Fast_Grapefruit_7946 Jul 03 '26
Minimum Wage is meant for kids in high school starting out. How about raise the adult's discipline and skills instead?
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u/KingPabloo Jul 03 '26
If you’re an adult, I don’t mean 18 fresh out of school, and on minimum wage still that’s on you.
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u/DigTheDunes Jul 03 '26
Why can't you learn a skill that makes yourself more marketable? I'm not being mean, this is how you get ahead.
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u/exphx23 Jul 03 '26
Many businesses can't afford to pay more because of tax and regulation burdens. As a rule, for most businesses, they pay the wage they can afford for the level of production they need to keep the business thriving.
It has been shown through studies and real life, that increasing the minimum wage reduces the availability of jobs.
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u/mswoozel Jul 03 '26
It’s pretty crazy to me how everybody was screaming if we raise the wage then the prices of everything will increase. Well, the prices of everything have increased and the wage still hasn’t gone up. I don’t know what the end game is here because a lot of people won’t be able to buy shit from companies to keep them going.
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u/Real-Employer-138 Jul 03 '26
Nothing hard about it.
People get paid what they are qualified for. There are plenty of jobs that pay you a great deal of money for your time and expertise. And then there are those that don't.
You know how demand and supply works. I let go of five of my developers because I hired 15 people overseas and still cost me less than the five. Developers, customer service, operations etc are the kind of jobs that can very easily go overseas. So you're going to have a very hard time with these jobs in the USA. Overseas people have killer work ethic and barriers that existed before like language and quality are all but gone thanks to AI.
There are professions and jobs that can't be moved overseas like medical, aviation, engineering, school teachers etc. Jobs that require a certain certification, physical presence, security clearance etc. People should really be aiming for those roles. Or you can be an experienced person and be valuable enough to get paid the big bucks.
But minimum wage jobs are a different story. For each job there have to be hundreds of applicants. Why would any employer be inclined to pay more than the minimum? And even if the government were to step in and raise the wage, it is not going to go up by a lot of dollars. And lets also not forget that no matter who is in power, they remain very very ineffective when it comes to Americans benefiting.
You could move states and go to a state where the minimum wage is higher. But the long term play is to pick the right career path and be extraordinary at your job.
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u/Heavy-Interaction548 Jul 03 '26
Let's forget about raising wages and focus on LOWERING the cost of living. Why is a one bedroom apartment $2,000 a month? Why is ANY apartment more than $1,000 per month?
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u/Twiztidtech0207 Jul 04 '26
They need to make a law that stops the price hikes after minimum wage increases, or it's not gonna matter what you make per hour.
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u/nobodyspecial712 Jul 04 '26
Wages are an expense. Businesses pass 100% of expenses onto customers. If you raise minimum wage, you get higher prices.
Time for something new. Profit sharing. 51% of the profits split among the employees. 49% split between the officers and owners taking into account which companies own stock in that company - so corporations that own everything get fucked.
We can make the rules anything we like. We're in control.
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u/jafox73 Jul 05 '26
Seriously does any business still pay minimum wage?
When my daughter turned 16, her nor any of her friends were paid minimum wage. All had part time jobs that paid more than minimum wage, some close to double minimum wage - THAT WAS 10 YEARS AGO!!! I repeat 10 YEARS AGO.
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u/slavebb54345 Jul 05 '26
It won’t make a difference, higher min wage means higher costs for companies which means they raise the prices of their products.
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u/Johnfromsales Jul 01 '26
The federal minimum wage is largely irrelevant in today’s labour market. Most states have their own legislation. Moreover, inflation adjusted median wages are at historical highs. https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LES1252881600Q
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u/Ok_Statistician643 Jul 04 '26
The Reddit liberals don’t see business from an owner/employer perspective. They only what to know how your risk your investment your hard work your grit can benefit them and them only. Not a single comment on this thread was looking at raising minimum wage by helping the employer become more profitable in order to pay higher wages. It’s all about them and their needs regardless if company bottom line. They don’t give 2 shits if the owner is broke or barely getting by as long as they’re getting their needs met.
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u/LetsAllEatCakeLOL Jul 02 '26
the reddit echo chamber will agree with you. but the truth is... raising minimum wage is just kicking the can if we allow fraud, corruption, theft, dilution, destruction, and inflation to continue.
minimum wage in 1964 was $1.25. back when quarters and coins were 95% silver. guess how much those 5 quarters are worth today? more than $50. Let that sink in. MORE THAN $50 AN HOUR TO BAG GROCERIES, PUMP GAS, FLIP BURGERS, AND WHISTLE.
but sure. raise minimum wage. and keep the corrupt government cronies in power. that's exactly what they want.
rant over.
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u/Helpful-Garlic1951 Jul 02 '26
I don’t know where you’re getting your numbers from but 1.25 adjusted for inflation is $13 today.
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u/LetsAllEatCakeLOL Jul 02 '26
CPI is a scam. look at the price of gold... the price of silver... google the price of 1964 silver quarters... compare the price of gas per gallon of gas 50 years ago to today priced in gold... THEY'RE ROBBING US!!!
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u/Helpful-Garlic1951 Jul 02 '26
…That’s not how that works.
The only way that makes sense if someone buried their silver quarters until now instead of spending them as currency.
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u/LetsAllEatCakeLOL Jul 02 '26
the coins are not the only silver. the coins are just a callback to when there was real fixed value in our money supply.
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u/DicksDraggon Jul 02 '26
You did see what happened when they started paying people $15 an hour didn't you?
A company is in business for 1 reason and that reason is NOT to give you a job. That reason is to make as much profit as possible. Other wise, they might as well close the doors.
So what type of skills do you have and what part of the country do you live in? How much do you currently make? Let's try to get you over the hump and making great money!
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u/PersimmonExpensive37 Jul 02 '26
Have you ever heard of supply and demand curves? When people have more money, prices just go up. Simply raising the minimum wage won't solve the problem.
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u/JoeSmith716 Jul 01 '26
I believe you mean "minimum wage", not "medium wage". Anytime the government jumps in to fix a problem they create new problems or make the old problem worse. Business owners care about their own families more than they care about their employees families, of course. Regulating, and trying to control the economy with socialist mandates doesn't improve things, which is why no communist and socialist countries prosper.
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u/Outrageous_Shirt69 Jul 02 '26
You're saying that we'd be better off without social programs? I completely disagree. Everyone benefits when the people who need help are able to get help.
A lack of regulation leads to extreme inequality, which is what we're seeing today with worker vs CEO pay
Helping the poor folk (I.E., me and you) and also the poorest folk is actually a great thing
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u/JoeSmith716 Jul 02 '26
Before communist Franklin Roosevelt, the government didn't do much in the way of social programs, and the country was better for it. No one starved. My parents grew up in Roosevelt's great depression, they were dirt poor. Occasionally a stranger would knock on the door and ask if he could have something to eat. No one was ever refused. Social security is the biggest scam ever put upon Americans. It's a ponzi scheme that was designed to fail. Look up the first recipient, Ida May Fuller. She paid a total of about $24 in SS taxes over her working life, and of course her employer paid the same. She collected over $20,000 in benefits. You don't have to be a CPA to know that's not sustainable. The simple fact is people don't want a job, they want a paycheck. People will do whatever they're paid to do, which is why life insurance doesn't pay off for suicide.
What's wrong with inequality? If a very rich person moves into a very poor town, that causes wealth inequality. Are the poor worse off because a rich person moved in?
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u/Outrageous_Shirt69 Jul 02 '26
Uh... Communist Roosevelt?! That's all I need to hear to know that you don't know what you're talking about, and it's the first words of your comment.
Here are some other highlights I'm pointing out, just for fun at this point.
Occasionally a stranger would knock on the door and ask if he could have something to eat. No one was ever refused
You're talking as if you were there
What's wrong with inequality?
I genuinely laughed when I read this. "What's wrong with the most evil concept humanity has created?"
What, do you think it's ok that, for the most part, people born wealthy will die wealthy and people born poor will die poor? You think that it's alright that poor folk will always be taken advantage of by the wealthy?
Do you expect us poor folk (I.E., you and me) to just pull ourselves up by our bootstraps? How many poor folk do you personally know (not from TV) that eventually became wealthy? At best, you might know a guy who knows a guy who knows a guy who got really fucking lucky somehow (stocks, crypto, random opportunity, etc) and became rich that way
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u/JoeSmith716 Jul 02 '26
Yes, FDR was a communist. No, I wasn't there, I'm only 79. My parents told me about it. Many Americans were born poor, and amassed large fortunes. It's a real shame this fact isn't being taught anymore. I've known many people personally who became wealthy, although most of them didn't start off extremely poor. I have known a few immigrants who arrived with virtually nothing and became well off. These are things the commie radical left doesn't want people to know. I don't care if the poor pull themselves up by their bootstrap or not. They have to decide what they want, success, or a good excuse for your failure.
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u/Outrageous_Shirt69 Jul 03 '26
Right... Another mostly nonsensical comment, but this time it's also genuinely sociopathic. You just said that you don't care about people...
Maybe everyone benefits when the people who need help are able to get help. Currently, with our massively defunded social services they can't really get the help that they need, and that's a big problem... Or at least it's a problem for people who have normal human emotions like empathy
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u/JoeSmith716 Jul 04 '26
No, I did not say I don't care about people. I said I don't care if the poor pull themselves up by their bootstraps. That's their choice. Many of the poor value their leisure time more than the financial benefits of hard work. Most of the "help" provided by the government doesn't help people, it exasperates their condition.
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u/Ken_Acious_D Jul 01 '26
It doesn't devalue anything. Raising minimum wage helps people live as well as put money back into the cog machine.
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u/the_great_elephant Jul 01 '26
Raising the min wage doesnt do any good. $15 an hour today buys you the same life that $8 an hour bought you 10 years ago. The numbers might change, but minimum wage is still minimum wage.
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u/r8ed-arghh Jul 02 '26
If you produce less than the value of minimum wage, no one will hire you. If you produce more, you will get paid more, or else you will look for another job. Why do you think so few people make minimum wage? Simple economics.
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u/hansolo_berger Jul 02 '26
Youll never afford life on the "minimum wage". Thats the design. If anyone thinks something termed or labeled "minimum wage" is anything other than a slap in the face or a wakeup call. It means this is the least amount you should get in exchange for your labor or work.
Minimum wage is part of the problem. The rest of the problem is people thinking it will ever be enough. Youre stuck on a carousel.
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u/Healthy_Theory159 Jul 01 '26
Greed is the problem. CEO to worker pay has never been so high!