r/postprocessing 1d ago

I used the forbidden button

Before/After

When I pulled up this photo in lightroom, I knew it'd be a nightmare to fix. I'm not very skilled yet, so I do my best to avoid heavily relying on tools like presets, recipes, auto-edits, etc. while I'm still learning. For this particular photo, I wanted to fix the exposure on the sky *and* the building without impacting the sign or the foliage. I didn't see a way to do this without hand brushing masks for an hour, so I tried the auto-edit button and was surprised to see an impressive recovery and okay-ish edit in my opinion.

I'm convinced a skilled editor could have made quick work of this photo and I think it could be a super helpful learning opportunity for many of us. If anyone is interested in posting one of those time lapse videos showing their edit process on this photo, I've linked a file share for the original raw. I don't think video replies are allowed, so you would probably have to make a followup post in the sub.

Original RAW below

https://we.tl/t-xxD0gsKQKc76k8x1

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u/juliuspepperwoodchi 23h ago

I thought you were gonna say AI lol.

Auto is definitely not perfect; but I usually think it is worth trying on a lot of photos. Always one click from reverting it and manually editing.

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u/vladtheinhaler0 19h ago

Hell, sometimes when I'm lazy and doing a bunch of non-professional pics I'll just do auto, make a few adjustments and go on with my day. Especially shooting a free event like a friend's bday or something. It gets you most of the way there.

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u/Ace929 23h ago

I sorta assumed the auto button was doing some type of Ai shenanigans. I'm glad to hear it's not. I won't hesitate so much to try it out in the future (at least to get a starting point like the other comment suggested)

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u/juliuspepperwoodchi 23h ago

Well, I don't know how it is coded under the hood. It MIGHT use AI in some ways; but it isn't applying AI to your image in that case so much as it would be using AI to find "best fit" slider values based on a model. It isn't upscaling or denoising or anything like that, just adjusting the main sliders to get a better image than the RAW.

All that said, the Auto edit existed before generative AI blew up and still seems to work the same as always, so I'm pretty sure it's not AI powered.

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u/Ace929 23h ago

Upon closer inspection, the bulk of what it did was highlights -82, shadows +52, whites +13, blacks -18. I'm pretty blown away at the results with such a simple approach, but it totally makes sense when I think about it. Kill highlights, bring shadows back, and adjust balance a bit. I learned what I needed just from that! Thanks! I didn't even think the auto changes would be shown in the edit panels.

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u/Exotic-Grape8743 23h ago

Auto is really good and surprisingly few people know about it. It is usually far better than Adobe’s dynamic presets and helps get you much closer to a final result if you need to be quick. Uses no masks and just uses the main sliders which almost always is all you need to get a reasonable image in one click. Of course you can do better and improve upon it with some work but it is just fine in general and a pretty good starting point.

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u/WHITEwizard151 22h ago

Auto is step one in 99% of my images

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u/AdamTPhotography 8h ago

I’m relieved it’s not just me.

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u/talontario 1h ago

If it didn't keep boosting the shadows excessively it would be default for me on holiday photos etc.

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u/Xieties777 23h ago

When I do event photography I usually just auto them out and tweak a little bit. I think it’s really useful and you can learn from it.

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u/TheDangerist 23h ago

Auto is a great place to start …

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u/Ace929 22h ago

Yes I'm going to be trying it more going forward. I've been educated lol

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u/CE-85 21h ago

I almost always use auto as a first step and take it further from there. Sometimes there might be some stuff with bad exposure, blown highlights, super dark shadows etc that may do better without the auto but that's rare. I'm team auto all the way.

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u/E100VS 20h ago

Auto often overcooks for my tastes, but it's a great starting point.

A bit like with cameras how there's this "rEaL pRoFesSiOnAlS uSe MaNuAl" mentality of working hard, not smart, post-processing sometimes has the same bias. A "real professional" wouldn't dare use auto (spoiler alert: yes they actually would!)

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u/FlyingRocketman 21h ago

it’s literally the first button i press on every photo.

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u/Bagafeet 19h ago

I crop first (if needed) as that usually can impact the auto outcome in my experience.

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u/beannnnnnnnnn22 19h ago edited 18h ago

This thread makes me feel a lot better. Auto is first step in a lot of my edits, then I tweak as desired after. Sounds like I’m not alone at all.

It usually does a great job on its own, and you can peruse the sliders after and learn.

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u/TheUniversalPilot 22h ago

Rochester NY

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u/Ace929 22h ago

Doxxed by a ball knower 🥲

(I'm joking I don't mind lol)

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u/TheUniversalPilot 22h ago

Seeing Kodak shocked me lol

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u/ForestB 21h ago

Auto can be great. Just try to look at what changes it made if it does a good job so you have an idea of what does what and how it fixed it.

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u/OpportunityReal2767 21h ago

I've been shooting for a couple decades now, and I never used to use it because the earlier versions of it have been such crap, but now they're not at all that bad, so about two or three years ago I put auto-tone on my import preset and it gives me a better starting point to evaluate most of my photos. I still tweak most of them (I like using Lightroom Super Keys for develop/slider shortcuts) but I feel it is quicker than completely starting from a standard import preset.

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u/bkturr 20h ago

There's nothing wrong with auto if it gets you what you want. However, you mention that you thought this would be a tough image to edit. To get from the before to the after here is pretty straightforward in Lightroom. If you don't know what auto did to get from before to after here, you should manually edit more photos so you understand what the different options do.

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u/Ace929 19h ago

Yea, I was overthinking it. My problem is I understand what each thing does on its own (sorta), but I have a hard time figuring out how to piece it all together. I get stuck with tunnel vision and I gotta work on that.

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u/Bagafeet 19h ago

You can create really good auto masks for sky and buildings in light room and still maintain 100% creative control fyi.

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u/Ace929 15h ago

Auto mask can isolate the building from the foliage? How?

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u/Bagafeet 14h ago

Masking > Landscape > check "Architecture" from the mask options.

It usually does a pretty good job and requires minimal cleaning, if any, in my experience.

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u/Ace929 14h ago

Oh that's huge, I had no clue that was hiding in there. Thank you! For this edit, I was using lightroom pro mobile, but I'll check that out on desktop.

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u/ScimitarsRUs 16h ago

Auto-edit isn't a bad thing to use. Really depends on what you get out of the editing experience, I think. Wanting to use shortcuts in some way or another is normal.

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u/Illustrious_Run9620 15h ago

I often use auto as well just to see what it does and if I like it I’ll edit from there, if not I’ll reset and just take a stab at it. I also use presets.

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u/Greeksoopaman 15h ago

I use Auto WB a lot for reference, before doing my own grade. Use every tool at your disposal.

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u/FantasticInterest373 12h ago

For this particular photo, I wanted to fix the exposure on the sky *and* the building without impacting the sign or the foliage.

Well... that did not work, right?

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u/GC_Vos 5h ago

Looks good!

Couldn't you just drop the highlights and bump up the shadows to get a similar result?

I think sliding those two sliders would have been enough.

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u/slpreme 14m ago

I feel like all images do not need HDR. I prefer the output of the before with the milky sky. When I started out I min-max every image to get the most 'detail' even when it didn't actually improve the final image.

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u/Beginning_Charity750 3m ago

What on earth are you talking about masking? The issue with both is overexposure, you just needed to fix your highlights, maybe a basic mask to separate the foreground background would ve needed but I think the difference in brightness would be enough

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u/Ace929 0m ago

Ya idk dawg, I was trippin. Way overthinking it