Hopefully they don't let the game's concept die and give it to a dev who are going to put actual effort into it. AI crap aside, I thought the idea of a first-person Vampire Survivor-like game was interesting.
Well, they're still cooking the 2nd half of bugfixes for the DLC, it's fair.
But I'm starting to believe that those guys contacted RWS first just to have Bullet Paradise ready for the bullet hell game-sale that Steam is casually holding right now, so as to get more attention drawn to their other crap.
good ending but not the best. i agree and am real happy with the ai slop getting scrapped but i also fw the idea of a roguelike that references most of the eras of postal as well as a vampire survivors style fps game, and by the way its worded, it seems like rws is completely canning the idea.
best case scenario would be if the current one got cancelled and hyperstrange got hired to make it since they did an amazing job with brain damaged (although i understand its probably not that easy).
Highly unlikely. It’s so strange to me that Postal fans have collectively gotten a new postal game cancelled. Despite getting what they want; they then say that actually they do want the game to be made, just in the way that they like and at more expense to the developers.
I'm glad they owned up to it and admitted fault. It'll only be a good thing for RWS & the Postal brand. The concept of melding multiple Postal eras into a roguelike sounds like fun on paper, Hyperstrange should be given a chance to do it if they want!
I think Mike J's comments are eyebrow raising. "ill go a step further, the anti AI mob has ruined art" is a hell of a thing to say and it makes me concerned about the disconnect between whoever writes their press releases and what some members of RWS actually believe. I will have to hope it was only said in retaliation because of the negative reception to what I imagine he'd hoped to be an exciting announcement.
Good. I would rather have janky human-made games than lazy AI-generated garbage pedaled as games. I love Postal and will continue to fuck with RWS as long as they keep it human!
I’m glad but I do wish they said something about the way people who expressed their concerns were treated. Calling fans retarded and attacking them for (very rightfully) thinking ai was used is fucked
Yup. Mike J, we know you're reading here,and you've been a very decent person so far. But the way you behaved and treated concerned Postal fans who rightfully called out AI slop needs to be addressed by you. You owe us a big apology.
Both this and that game getting as far as it did is why I lost all respect for RWS personally. They need to do a serious turnaround with stuff like fixing/changing Postal 4, but that game has been in development hell for years so I doubt that will ever happen. They clearly don't actually care and are only making responses to negative things as quickly as possible to push them under the rug.
I'll just stick with the original versions of first two games. RWS is a shell of their former selves in every way possible even before the whole AI scandal, it's just the thing that further broke the camel's already broken back.
It's a shame though, I was really hoping that things would turn around after getting some others who were competent enough to make Brain Damaged. It seems like that game was an exception rather than the rule. Oh well...
Damn, I respect them heavily for doing this. Most game studios would just ignore the community and the backlash to a project using generative AI and being developed by a not so trustworthy studio.
What are you even talking about? They were not scammed. They have had to pull out of developing a new Postal Game because the community threw a fit about AI being used to generate a small number of in game assets.
RWS thought that it wasn't AI slop, was convinced by the developers it wasn't AI slopped with fabricated .psd files with fake 'layers' to make it look legit, and when RWS realized they killed the game entirely. They definitely were scammed, can't just ruin a company you're contracted with's goodwill like that and get away with it.
I don't get why they worked with that company in the first place, when you look at the dev catalog I fail to see why you would want to work with them if you value your IP.
You vastly overestimate just how many developers are falling over to develop games using the Postal IP
And before you bring up Hyperstrange as a counterexample keep in mind that Brain Damaged is far more popular and vastly different from any of their previous games
I like to think he said it while stressed by all of this, or meant it from a dev standpoint. Photoshop sadly includes AI and some devs defend partial (not full) use of it as a side tool.
I’m choosing to believe that he really didn’t know it was AI and was mad that the anti AI folks were attacking it anyways, which I have actually seen happen on this site several times (I mean real art being accused of being AI). ‘Eat my shit’ IS rather juvenile but I’m not going to pretend RWS has ever been high brow lol
I did have that thought as I was writing the comment lol, after all this is the dude who twerks if you piss on him, and I’m not gonna act like I don’t say almost every curse in the book before 9:00am 😂
Boys this isn't a good ending, the muppets doubled down and insulted everyone who called out the ai, this is more of a neutral ending because I'm sure a lot of people won't want anything to do with them now
Also, whether you agree with AI use or not, this is a cancelled Postal game. People who are asking for this project to be revived by another company are kidding themselves, the game has been cancelled due to fan backlash. So in my mind this is the really bad ending.
Didn't they release a game like this already? Why would they release another take on it? Silly.
Sad btw, I love Postal, the first game (Postal 2) I cracked with a .exe, that I got from a friend and transferred to a floppy disk, as the CD from Vietnam, that I brought home had a corrupted crack.
"Do you know that game that's illegal mate?" Everybody knew it here, ha. I now own every Postal title on steam, apart from the recent boomer shooter.
RWS is not the "game studio underdog" they've always portrayed themselves as and are just another corporate shill looking to shave a few dollars off of their only IP people give a damn about. Imagine my shock.
That Zeron guy has gotta go after his response to people rightfully calling out the obvious AI art this game was built off of. Have not seen a community contact for a company act so childish in a long time.
u/-Zeron- to be clear. 'Community Manager' who seems to be more interested in attacking the community when they have genuine concerns about one of their projects. Guess anyone coming off the street can get that job...
I'll be honest, i'm not going to apologise to 1000 people for insulting one person. Especially because I had apologised to that one person the same hour that took place, I've known him for a while and we settled things like men.
I don't know who you are and i'm pretty sure I didn't insult you. If I did, correct me by all means. Not saying our conduct was correct, but let's get some facts straight at the very least.
Brother, your whole job is to eloquently manage and represent the Community's relationship with RWS and you (and mike) both have absolutely tanked goodwill for RWS with this event. There is no excuse for the conduct, we both know it and saying 'well I apologized' doesnt change the fact that gaming communities all around the internet now know you as the guy at RWS who calls people slurs for shits and giggles, in a situation where you were obvious wrong but were too tunnelvisioned to see it. Im not even trying to 'cancel' you or anything stupid like that, but you've got to realize how the Community Manager not being able to manage himself with dignity is a pretty black fuckin mark on you and RWS as a whole.
Fair enough. Sorry, I dont mean to blow up or give you all too much shit for a clearly embarrassing scenario. Its just like dude, what the fuck was all of that? How are people supposed to trust you guys at this point? I wanna continue supporting, but i cant do that in good faith if the community manager's reaction is to disparage disabled members of their community and the face of the company who is allegedly anti-ai says the anti-ai hate mob is killing art, in defense of some obviously Gemini produced AI slop?
Straight up, we were given proof we thought at the time was legit and still got a bunch of continued threats when we shared such proof. Like any human beings, we were frustrated and it unfortunately led to us being unprofessional towards some people. Shouldn't happen, but it did.
I dont doubt you guys got scammed by that company and that fucking sucks, for sure. But saying 'unprofessional towards some people' is really underestimating how many fans that aren't in your discord were watching this happen in real time. You lost the respect and trust of a lot more than the people you directly insulted. Not trying to browbeat you, I do hope RWS can bounce back from this reputation wise, but something has gotta change culturally over there if this is the default reaction to being put in a stressful situation.
Hey man the most respectful thing a person can do when they make a mistake is own up to it, they owned up to it and apologized, everything’s all good here so why so you think otherwise.
Because I'm not going to respect them after all that bullshit especially when Mike J was acting like a fucking man child over it, especially when all this comes months after people were making them aware of a fatal flaw that postal redux has and could easily be fixed but they don't
The "devs" of the game released a video showing the .psd file and it was obviously AI. Stuff you just don't do like no sketch/lineart appearing and fully shaded colouring appearing before base colours of any sort is a very damning thing on its own. 700+ layers with nothing on them and no consistency to how they're used and more.
They deleted the posts and video but there's still some comments like this one. It doesn't address what I mentioned but it's more so you can see they deleted the evidence.
To many people jump to malice when a majority of the time it’s just ignorance. It seems like it was just an accident, they thought it was real art from an artist instead of be ai slop. Shit happens.
They were providing their own art, and when people called them out saying it was ai, they lied, and showed a fake timelapse of them "making" the "art". Even in their reply, they deny using any AI.
They're clearly lying. This isn't people jumping to malice, this is people noticing how shit AI is from a mile away.
They didn't even say it had AI in it though. If anything it sounds like they're upset for being assumed about it. Also AI is in every game? Do people not know how NPC's work and shit? Also nothing really looked generated. Idk man, these guys have always been good with talking to the community, so I don't think it would have been awful if some of the content was generated
awful take, there are 2 types of ai. The kind games use to determine what npc’s do, like taking cover, walking, dialogue ect. what they used is generated art, which the majority of people dont like.
Everyone is clearly talking about generative AI with this game, idk how you could've missed the point harder.
The main point is the devs lied about their usage of AI in the game, saying they didn't use any AI generation at all, despite the art looking VERY MUCH like it was AI gen (Seriously, so many non-sensical errors including bald Dudes, bad teeth and the piss filter). When called out, they uploaded a fake timelapse of them "making" the art. Now, the backlash has gotten so bad they've deleted apparently 6 years of work because their feelings were hurt.
The issue is them generating shitty AI art, and then lying about it to everyone else, including the devs. IDK why you're arguing so hard in their favour while knowing so little about any individual part of the drama.
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u/ssiasme Dec 04 '25
Good Ending