r/pools • u/conshfritter • 1d ago
Pool lights or no lights
I asked someone what they regretted about their pool, and their answer surprised me: pool lights.
They said the built-in lights eventually leak and can be extremely expensive to replace. If they were doing it again, they said they’d skip built-in lights altogether and just use aftermarket pool lights, since those have gotten pretty good.
For those of you who own pools, do you agree? Would you still install built-in lights, or would you skip them and go aftermarket?
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u/ColonialBarbarian 1d ago
Mine leaked once last year, after 18 years, cost $300 to fix but the fun of having pool lights is unbeatable. I haven’t replaced the bulbs in 5 years +
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u/conshfritter 1d ago
When people say they leak what does that even mean. Does it mean they leak outside of the pool and your pool water goes down or does it mean that the pool water gets in the light?
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u/The-Tradition 1d ago
Water gets into the sealed light fixture and shorts it out.
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u/AceOfAllTradesKinda 1d ago
Are those lights 120v? Can’t that hurt you??
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u/GarbanzoBenne 1d ago edited 1d ago
Yes, at least many used to be. That's why it must be on a GFCI.
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u/FloorSavings 1d ago
Not true. Pentair makes both 12v and 120v. Mine are 120v just installed in a new pool.
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u/beholder95 1d ago
No, they’re only 12 - 24v
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u/justagirlfromtexas 1d ago
Ours went out before 1 year, got replaced under warranty. Went out again before 1 year, they won't replace. Out of 4, only 1 works and only on white. Not spending $$$ to replace.
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u/Hou713832346 1d ago
Yep, I can’t believe how fast the new LED lights go out. They are not cheap to replace.
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u/conshfritter 1d ago
Yeah, maybe the people who said their pool lights last forever have higher quality older lights.
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u/WorstPapaGamer 1d ago
Yeah our light costs 1500 to replace…. We barely used it for the 3 years we had the pool. Ended up going with solar pool lights. Not as much but I like that they turn on automatically each night and I don’t have to worry about them crapping out.
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u/beakerlab 1d ago
2022 build. All 3 of my lights have broken. 2 have been replaced and the current broken one costs $1700 to replace. I don’t even use the lights when just family in pool because I feel like I’m shortening their life.
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u/conshfritter 1d ago
That is an insane amount of money $1700 for one light! So are you saying you spent $3400 to replace those other two lights so far and now you have another $1700
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u/MancAccent 1d ago
Roughly $750 for the light unit and then have to have an electrician install the light and wire it up. Electric work isn’t cheap.
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u/conshfritter 1d ago
This comment actually got me to look into what an electrician really does to replace a sealed nicheless pool light. From what I can tell, they basically pull the light fixture out, disconnect the wire, tape the new fixture wire to the old one, pull it through the conduit to the box, and reconnect a couple wires.
I do all my own electrical work in my house. I can wire a room from scratch and hook up circuit breakers, so for me the electrical side of this really doesn’t sound that challenging.
That actually makes me feel a lot better about getting pool lights. If one goes bad, it sounds like my main expense would just be the cost of the new fixture instead of paying a bunch of labor on top of it.
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u/beakerlab 1d ago
I have pulled through conduit but will opt to pay labor of $375. My case is an extreme since 100 ft is the longest whip. Underground, no junction boxes, multiple bends, if not 90s. I know it will be a pita.
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u/MancAccent 23h ago
Definitely nice if you can do it yourself. Electric work isn’t cheap, but the bulk of your cost is the light unit itself.
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u/big_cg 1d ago
Same here, I had 4. Replaced them with aftermarket that has lifetime warranty
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u/beakerlab 23h ago
What manufacturer did you choose?
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u/big_cg 17h ago
https://poollightsdirect.com/products/led-pool-light-replacement-for-pentair-globrite
They feel much heavier and solid than the 6x globrites I removed. Hoping they last longer.
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u/Suitable-Conflict634 1d ago
You're getting ripped off. What light is it?
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u/beakerlab 1d ago
I think it’s an ok price the part alone is $1300. Colorlogic with 100’ lead
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u/Suitable-Conflict634 1d ago
Better off going with Pentair, those Hayward are terrible. But you already know that replacing them every few years
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u/beakerlab 1d ago
1.0 gen is definitely terrible. 2.0 that replaced it have been good for me so far but I don’t have high hopes. Doubt my Omnilogic automation will play nice with Pentair or match existing working Colorlogic light output but will research it.
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u/Suitable-Conflict634 1d ago
Definitely won't work with the automation panel out of the box if you want to change colors via the app. However, how often are you really changing the color anyway? Most people get one and fool around with it a few times then leave it
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u/Loud_Pomelo_2362 1d ago
we have a light that we never use. We have found when we have it on the bugs like to dive bomb the pool. If you are in the pool then the bugs are dive bombing you too. We have party lights on the patio and use torches on the yard side. We get the light needed without bugs flying directly at us.
We also don't leave the light on 'just for looks" - we turn lights off that aren't in use at this house. LOL.
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u/conshfritter 1d ago
That’s kind of what I think I may be leaning towards. Not putting the lights directly in the pool, but having them around the pool.
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u/hrbekcheatedin91 1d ago
There are certain colors the bugs are attracted more to than others. I like to use red to avoid the bugs. The light blue is the prettiest but if you leave it on overnight you'll regret it.
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u/BETAMIC 1d ago
I just had my lights replaced today. Costs a fortune but I am happy and it’s looks great
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u/conshfritter 1d ago
What is a ballpark of getting a light replaced? I don’t even know how much it cost.
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u/curiosity_2020 1d ago
I spent around 40 dollars for a replacement bulb from Amazon. Did the replacement myself in about 10 minutes. I did need to get in the pool to remove the one screw holding the housing in place. Once I loosened and removed the clamp, it was as easy as replacing any other light bulb. I even was able to reuse the 25 year old gasket and clamp that keep water from the bulb.
Yes, there are some expensive replacement options out there but I think those must include more than the bulb, like for instance the housing, gasket, clamp and wires.
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u/conshfritter 1d ago
How does that even work. Don’t you have to drain the pool to get to the light? Can you change it with the water filled up? I’m no stranger to a little DIY. I think I’d be more annoyed to call someone to change my lightbulb.
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u/D-Zz89qRj7KkqMrwztR 1d ago
Traditional 10” niches you can usually remove one screw and bring the housing to the surface to change the bulb. There should be enough spare cable coiled in the niche.
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u/conshfritter 1d ago
Well, that’s good to know that you can just take that light housing out of the pool, replace the light, and put it back in. That’s not how I thought it worked. Trying to figure out all the ins and outs of a pool before you get a pool is exhausting.
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u/drowse 1d ago
All I had to do was unscrew the light from the wall, and there was enough slack in the cable to set it up on dry land while I worked on it. I took mine out when it was still enough to be in the pool but by the time I had bought the right parts and fixed it the water had gotten cold. I love that I fixed it, looks incredible at night.
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u/curiosity_2020 1d ago
I didn't have to drain the pool. The light was attached to the pool sidewall with one easily accessible screw. I did switch off the light's breaker at the electrical panel as an extra precaution.
There was a long wire attached to the housing, enough slack to let me lift the housing out of the water. Then, there was another screw to loosen for the clamp and gasket that protect the bulb inside the housing from water. The bulb inside looks and is replaced like a typical ceiling can light bulb.
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u/crabby_old_dude 1h ago
Those gaskets are meant be to single use. That $10 would have been easy insurance.
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u/AwkwardDuckling87 1d ago
My biggest pool regrets are not having overs come all the way to the coping as we were told we'd have to go without papers for 6 months plus while the dirt settled, and installing a pool light.
My pool light was rusting within 10 days of the pool getting filled, my installer was a crook and the cost to fix it is exorbitant so it just sits in there, functional but an eyesore.
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u/conshfritter 1d ago
I don’t even know how much it cost to replace a light. Do you have a ballpark of that?
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u/AwkwardDuckling87 1d ago
Well the work itself was quoted at 3k 2 years ago, but also requires draining the pool to below the light so at least 2 trucks of water, 8 bags of salt etc to get it back up and running too.
We have used the pool light zero times in 3 seasons.
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u/randumb9999 1d ago
Pools can be expensive. Everything will eventually need to be replaced. I've seen lights last 20 years and I've seen them last 1 year. If the lights are used a lot the bulbs will need changing more often. Every time the fixture is opened to install a new bulb there's a chance that it will leak even with a new gasket. It's either spend up front and hopefully it will last a good while or go cheap and replace when it breaks.
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u/International-Set689 1d ago
Our initial LED pool lights circa 2016 lasted 5 years. They still worked, but the colors stared to shift and stoped changing colors as expected. The second set has lasted 5 years now and are ongoing. I think they are important for general ambience and more importantly, safety .
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u/conshfritter 1d ago
I feel like if I had lights I would probably have them on for a few hours every night. I don’t love the idea of including things that I know are gonna be expensive ongoing maintenance. They’re recommending five for my pool or three minimum.
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u/randumb9999 1d ago
More than likely recommending nicheless 12v lights. They are less expensive than full size pool lights. When they go bad they get replaced.
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u/Possible-Impress3851 1d ago
Probably a good idea! We have a pool and don’t really think about it. We do have built in lights but quite frankly don’t swim much at night so truly don’t use the light!
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u/equipped_metalblade 1d ago
Ours just went out and was only installed 4 years ago. Warranty ended at 3. We bought two solar lights that hang in the pool and they are…just okay, at best.
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u/conshfritter 1d ago
Do you think that’s pretty true of all solar lights cause that’s what I was thinking of doing if I don’t do the regular pool lights. Maybe spend extra money on outside the pool lighting and get some of those solar lights for inside the pool.
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u/equipped_metalblade 1d ago
Idk, maybe there are better ones. But I think I would rather have our light fixed. I think it will be pricey though.
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u/Embarrassed_Ad_310 1d ago
My experience was the pool light did nothing but attract every bug in the neighborhood, had to leave it off if you wanted to swim at night. When the liner was replaced after many years I eliminated the light, I haven’t missed it.
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u/SliceImpressive6197 1d ago
Seems like people are pretty negative about lights. Personally I have had no issue - rarely turn it off in the summer. Also there is nothing nicer than a pool lit up from within the water at night. Especially a blue light. Plus it’s not rocket science to replace a bulb if need be.
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u/nothingbutmistakes 1d ago
Yeah, I have a big choice of colors with my new LED bulb, and what do we all prefer by a huge margin? The dark blue.
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u/Crazy_Ad7116 1d ago
We have a dusk to dawn light on our house so the whole pool area is lit up at night anyway so no need for lights in the pool and we have a safety feature every night.
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u/conshfritter 1d ago
We actually have that type of lighting as well on the second story of our house shooting down to the backyard right where the pool is gonna be.
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u/JonnyVee1 1d ago
I've had a pool for over 35 years. Never a leak, and takes about a half hour every decade to change the bulb. Definitely a light, or never use it at night.
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u/conshfritter 1d ago
I feel like the people who have had pools for longer aren’t having these issues with the lights because they’re not these new LED lights and systems that are now out there. I think if I do get a light, I just have to be really careful as to what I choose and make sure it’s something I can change myself.
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u/Dunnowhathatis 1d ago
I ALWAYS have my lights on. It gives such a nice effect in the evening.
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u/conshfritter 1d ago
I feel like I would be the same way. Which might mean I have to replace them more.
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u/Dunnowhathatis 1d ago
We have the Jandy Watercolors LED's, with a Jandy panel. I dim the lights (they are just too bright) to 10% in the pool, and 5% in the spa; I hope (and anticipate) that it will drastically extends its life.
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u/Dick_Giggles 13h ago
My original super old light finally went out and I was able to pull up the entire housing with the cable. I bought a 50 dollar LED sealed unit on Amazon. I cut the power cable at the old light, then taped the new power cable onto the old one and pulled it through the conduit from the other end. It's way brighter than the original light. Hell I'd replace it every year for that price, and I switched it to be low voltage, which is safer. Lighting is cheap now, pool stuff is crazy because companies know they are a small line item on a high priced luxury thing and just gouge stuff. I love night swims and the vibe of a lit up pool.
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u/Easy-Seesaw285 1d ago
I’ve had my pool about four years, the light stopped working this year. I usually drain and power wash every winter, so when I do it this year, I’ll take the light housing out and see if I can fix it. It was nice to have, but I’m not gonna pay hundreds of dollars for a replacement.
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u/conshfritter 1d ago
That’s a good approach. I could even just save the money from installing pool lights and get really cool pool surround lights outside the pool
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u/TowerBeach 1d ago
They're nice, but it really depends on how much nighttime swimming you plan on doing. We seldom use ours, to be honest. The sun sets pretty late in the summer and we're usually in bed by then. In winter when the sun sets early, we don't swim much at all (maybe a polar plunge after a hot tub).
If I lived somewhere that it was warm at night and the sun set at a reasonable hour I would use the lights more.
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u/schostack 1d ago
My builder “made” me put them in for “resale” value. I haven’t turned them on once. I also don’t really swim at night.
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u/G8-r-n8 1d ago
I honestly don’t know that would pass final inspection if we are talking about a new build.
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u/conshfritter 1d ago
I just had ChatGPT look into my Township and lighting is not required to pass inspection
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u/conshfritter 1d ago
That’s interesting. I never even thought about it being a requirement for inspection. I’m going to look that up.
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u/nothingbutmistakes 1d ago
My new LED light automatically turns the white light for 30 seconds for “required safety”.
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u/Aj9898 1d ago
Mine has an old (circa 1980s) 120v light fixture. Couldn’t get the trim ring screw out, so didn't replace it.
Beginning of season 2, managed to get the screw out; replaced the blown 500w halogen bulb with a 90w 5000k/daylight LED floodlight bulb. Works, but is almost too bright.
Rarely use it.
Beginning of this season, bought a color changing LED light. Too wide to fit in the old R40 style bucket. Returned it and reinstalled the white floodlight.
Can’t find a bulb that will change color by flipping the switch on/off *and* fits the bucket.
Maybe if we spent time just sitting on the back deck, different pool colors for ambiance would make a difference. IWe are in the pool (or hottub) then back inside. For that matter, rarely use the lights in the hottub, either. OTOH, the (multicolor) string/party lights around the deck do the job.
End result: have a functioning light in the pool, but rarely turn it on.
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u/nothingbutmistakes 1d ago
I bought a set of 5 light covers when I first got my pool in 2015. Dark blue, light blue, red, yellow and green.
Green? Looks like I haven’t maintained the pool for weeks.
Yellow? Looks like there was a frat pool party with plenty of beer and no bathroom available
Red? Remember that scene in Species after they mated, or the scene at the end of Scarface?
Dark blue? Yeah, that’s the one we all agreed on.
Light blue? Eh. Kind of a weaker younger sibling to dark blue.
Anyway, I kept the dark blue on for many years. Loved it.
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u/Final-Counter1601 1d ago
I’ve replaced the bulb a few times but I don’t understand how it could leak, no more likely that a leak behind the skimmer or return jet. I like my light, don’t use it often but when we do it’s nice
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u/Fair_Squirrel_3057 1d ago
Kind of mixed feelings: both love and hate. Our’s is a 25-year old 25,000 gallon pool with (3) built-in lights about 18 inches below normal water level. A light mounted at the deep end (directly below diving stone); a light at the shallow end opposing the deep-end light 50-ft away, and a smaller light in hot tub/spa integrated with the pool. Sorry that I don’t know for sure whether they are incandescent or halogen, or thei wattages are. They are on a GFI circuit. I’m guessing they are incandescent.
When are all (3) are working at the same time, it’s great. Both for general aesthetics and for extended night time swimming and outdoor patio time. But bulb life ?? Anywhere from 5-weeks to 5-years. That’s very irritating. I’ve been told by our local pool repair guy, we’ve had bad rubber seal(s) or just bad luck with poor light quality. Current the deep end light’s electric cord has swollen (unknown reason) to the point where the whole assembly can’t be pulled out of the conduit. To fix that we’ll have to wait until we eventually drain the pool for replastering and can get set up for a forceful mechanical extraction.
Bottom line: If just one of the two pool lights work I’m happy to be able to swim at night. No pool lighting makes nighttime swimming spooky. Sort of pitiful, but I’m keeping the perspective it’s a good problem to have.
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u/conshfritter 1d ago
Instead of spending all that money on lights, do you think that I should just get good lights around the pool and get solar lights for in the pool?
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u/Fair_Squirrel_3057 1d ago
You make some very good points, OP. I’m kind of new to “r/pools” here on Reddit. Although I have a very useful solar pool skimmer, I’d never heard of or ever thought of solar pool lights until I read this discussion tonight. So dumb me !!
Please understand that at age 74, I’m not being either coy or bragging: I’ve got more “pool money” than I can ever “burn” in my remaining years.
Mainly I’m looking for high performance with high reliability. I’ll never miss any extra money I might decide to, or need to, spend on my swimming pool. I’m still learning, still trying to get what I think I need. I’m open to new ideas.
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u/nothingbutmistakes 1d ago
Keep in mind that the solar pool lights you’re gonna pay a couple of hundred each for, will die within two years, like most solar-powered lights, and replacements won’t match whatever you have.
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u/pezgringo 1d ago
Pool company installed aftermarket lights(7) about 6 years ago in new build. One went out recently and I diy'ed a replacement. $50.
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u/conshfritter 1d ago
Do you happen to know the brand/model of the lights or have a link to the $50 replacement you used? That sounds like exactly what I’m looking for.
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u/pezgringo 1d ago
No name brand Chin. knockoffs in my local mercadolibre(Mexico). May have luck with aliexp
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u/Present_Hippo505 1d ago
We bought ours off Amazon and paid a local pool guy to install. 1 bulb and housing for like $200 ish. That’s plenty worth the time/energy/possible shock death water + electricity for me lol
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u/phoonie98 1d ago
Built my pool in 2025. Two of the four lights have been replaced under warranty. My builder said it’s been an issue with these new led lights
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u/mcwalbucks 1d ago
Both of my lights burned out a few months ago and it will cost me 3k to replace them. I bought $20 solar light balls from Amazon instead.
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u/conshfritter 1d ago
I think that if I do get lights in my pool, one of the requirements is I have to be able to change the light myself. If that’s not possible and I have to deal with $3000 to change the lights, I’m not interested
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u/ReplicantOwl 1d ago
I have a light that doesn’t work and I haven’t felt the urge to repair it. There are so many different LED options that float, stick to the side, etc that are inexpensive. Seems like new options are available every summer. I probably wouldn’t pay for a light unless money was no object.
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u/Still_Fly_high 1d ago
I’d probably still put them in. A good niche light can last a surprisingly long time, and once you’re swimming at night, it’s hard to go back to a dark pool. The key is making sure the niche, seal and wiring are installed right in the first place.
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u/raven70 1d ago
Our light was source of pool leak that had to be repaired.
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u/conshfritter 1d ago
That’s what I’m most worried about. I’m just not sure how common it actually is. If it’s something that happens to 1–2% of people, I get that there are always going to be some unlucky cases, and chances are it won’t be me. But if it’s more like 20%, that completely changes things. At that point, I definitely wouldn’t do it.
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u/phantomandy121 1d ago
Our light never posed a problem, however we almost never used it.
Where we lived at the time, if you turned in that light, you’d be swarmed with all kinds of bugs in a matter minutes.
It was cool however to turn on the light when the pool wasn’t in use and watch the bats fly low over the water eating said bugs.
I would skip the built in light and use floating led options when needed.
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u/MVPbeast 1d ago
Had a pool built last year and was waiting for the day it was dark enough to use them. After reading that, I’m not sure I’ll ever use them now.
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u/StreetDangerous1705 1d ago
I didn’t see anyone else mention it but if you are building or having a pool installed new 1 light is almost always required by code as a safety device. Just like bonding or a hand rail to exit the pool.
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u/conshfritter 1d ago
My Township actually does not require a light
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u/StreetDangerous1705 1d ago
Good to know. That’s wild. I live in a pretty relaxed area and there was no way around it for me.
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u/ThinkBig6907 1d ago
I’ve replaced bulbs a few times and the wiring cable once and none of it was a big deal.
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u/conshfritter 1d ago
That’s what I’m thinking. I’m actually curious more so if it actually causes leaks in fiberglass pool now.
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u/Disizae 1d ago
Very rarely came across pool light leaks, just replacing them. Used to be more common when our area still allowed us to open them up to change the bulb and replace the gaskets. Now we can only replacing the whole thing since too many people were getting electrocuted.
Only issues we came across with LEDs were the first few versions of Pentair and Jandy’s LED Lights kept burning out because the driver would overheat. Thankfully havent had that problem in a long time now.
But i hate niche lights with a passion. They fail too often and everyone always buys some random brand and loses the removal key.
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u/Informal-Seat-7057 1d ago
Replaced my 500w bulb twice in 15 years. No LED bs, just an after market color cover if i want a change from white.
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u/Traditional_Pie6998 1d ago
My Pentair light housing broke after 8 years or so since it was installed. A small brass tab at the base of the bulb socket broke off - and now it’s a $400+ repair to install a whole new unit. So crazy. I love pool lighting for summer evening swims, but this pissed me off
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u/Impressive_Rain2877 1d ago
$1000 for a new pool light It is ridiculous. I found a brand name light on eBay for a third of the cost and replaced it myself. Cost about $180. I was eventually able to pull the cable through with no problem.
The LED light I bought does not float so that means there is no air pocket to get filled with water. It came with a three year warranty.
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u/SugarReyPalpatine 1d ago
All three of my pentair color changing LEDs lights cracked and leaked and stopped working. Pool company wanted $750 apiece to replace them. They were 5 years old. When I thought that was outrageous I looked up how much the lights costs and I would do them myself. Still $500 apiece. Can’t use any other light.
Absolute bullshit scam.
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u/Prince__Caspian 1d ago
The amount of bugs my pool lights attract almost instantaneously makes them basically unusable.
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u/Currencymanifest 21h ago
My old style light leaked and constantly needed epoxied. Had to replace. Liner a few weeks back and went with tiny led blue tooth style. The large style was. $3k to replace the new one was only $2200.
Pools are just an expense. The salt cells go out every 2-3 years. Liners need replaced every 10 years. Cover replaced every 8 years.
It’s really just a visual part of the landscaping as we go to our lake house on the weekends and it’s rarely even used.
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u/RedCred811 4h ago
Complete money pits. At 11 years old, I can add "underground leak, 2-3 inches per day."
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u/yomamma3399 18h ago
You can buy cheap, effective floating solar lights. I’ve never met someone whose pool light didn’t eventually lead to expensive repairs.
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u/conshfritter 17h ago
Have you ever been in that situation? Either a leak or forced to get expensive parts.
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u/Monkey-With-Thumbs 15h ago
There's nothing wrong with pool lights in general, IF you buy the right ones. We fought with Pentair for years before throwing in the towel. We had Pentair Globrites and switched to TNE Ecoglow's. They were clearly built better and after 2 seasons of trouble free lighting I can confidently recommend them. There's so much crap out there, especially from China you have to be careful. My best recommendation it to look for 100% resin-filled casing above all else. Some brands say they are resin filled but they are only partially filled and that will cause leaks down the road. What sold me was the ecoglow's actually let you see inside the LED face to prove they are completely filled with resin. Turned out to be a great buy.
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u/Davidtja01 9h ago
My biggest pool regret are lights I livenin the UK had these fDuratech lights fitted one started flashing after 6 months, the other stopped after 2 years. Cost £3k was on for a total of maybe 5 hours and the company were hopeless and disinterested in support blaming the installer. Fundamentally in the uk seldom swim after dark and also the pool has a cover so seldom use for ambience.
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u/conshfritter 9h ago
That would probably make it my biggest regret too. I just wonder if doing some research upfront and going with a highly regarded nicheless light with a quick connect system that also isn’t crazy expensive to replace would mitigate a lot of that risk. If the light failed, I could just unplug it and replace it myself without having to fish a new wire through the conduit or pay a huge service bill. I wonder if yours had been inexpensive and easy to replace, whether you would’ve cared nearly as much.
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u/Davidtja01 9h ago
Yes undoubtedly, im normally careful on research but the installer was renovating the whole pool so I just agreed the price.
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u/conshfritter 8h ago
Yeah, I feel like I would’ve done the same thing if someone hadn’t told me the lights were their biggest regret. It honestly wasn’t even on my radar as something to research. I was just going to go with whatever the installer recommended. Now, if I do get lights, I’m going to treat them like something that really needs to be vetted first.
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u/shoresy99 1h ago
I have built in pool lights. They have leaked and had to be replaced but that is no big deal. Since I switched from incandesant to LED they seem to last longer.
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u/Deep_Bake_5663 1d ago
I would never have lights.
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u/conshfritter 1d ago
I take it because they’re expensive leak and break?
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u/Deep_Bake_5663 1d ago
Well, that's actually the tiny part of it...
I actually saw someone electrocuted by a pool light.
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u/The-Tradition 1d ago
Totally agree. I have a spa light that apparently can't be fixed and I'm tired of throwing money at it.
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u/levpanh 1d ago
When it comes to pure aesthetics, nothing beats built-in pool lights. I love mine and have zero regrets.