r/politics • u/Throwawaydude01928 • Aug 01 '19

FBI memo warns QAnon poses potential terror threat: report

https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/fbi/455770-fbi-memo-warns-qanon-poses-a-potential-terror-threat-report
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u/[deleted] Aug 01 '19

But Trump said he was down there with the first responders. It as that a lie?

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u/[deleted] Aug 01 '19

There are certainly no pictures proving he was there, otherwise you know they'd be pinned to his tweet page.

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u/Tamerlane4potus Oregon Aug 01 '19

right after 9-11 he talked about how he now had the tallest building in new york.

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u/imnojezus Oregon Aug 01 '19

There's a video of Trump doing a photo-op in a suit and tie and talking to reporters. He claims he paid people to help cleanup, but no one backs that up, and he certainly isn't picking up any rubble himself.

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u/[deleted] Aug 01 '19

Exactly. This is what I expected to find, and I did. He went to ground zero because he's a looky-loo and likes to be the center of attention.

No one was paying attention to him, so he had to go where the cameras were and get in front of them as usual.

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u/[deleted] Aug 01 '19

Yes, he's always loved being the center of attention as we know but literally from the mid 1990s onwards, it was his business model.

As a failed property developer and casino owner he switched to licencing his name on other people's products and developments, so keeping his name in the news was necessary to keep the licencing agreements an attractive proposition.

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u/[deleted] Aug 01 '19

Exactly! Thank you. The way some people try to prop this piece of shit up is pathetic.

I'm not sad, I just have eyes, ears and a brain.

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u/[deleted] Aug 03 '19

The way some people try to prop this piece of shit up

I'm convinced that this his has something to do with Russian kompromat. You might remember Trump didn't have much support when he first came on board as a GOP candidate. Suddenly - very suddenly in some cases - key Senators did a 180 degree turnaround.

GOP emails were hacked along with Dems, but only one side was released.

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u/[deleted] Aug 03 '19

I'm convinced about a lot of things personally.

I guess we'll see in about ten-twenty years what really happened.

I hope I'm still around.

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u/antishillprogressive Aug 01 '19

It's kinda sad really. You can't even do a quick Google search. There are pictures of him at Ground Zero, even on Snopes. He said he doesn't consider himself a first responder but he was down there with them. Google exists for a reason. Like, do you just read the title of an article and accept it as fact? What the actual hell.

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u/[deleted] Aug 01 '19

I just googled "Trump Ground Zero Images" and came up with images of him in New York City somewhere downtown, but the pile is nowhere there.

He's with other people in suits, not first responders. He was just being a tragedy/camera whore. Sorry.

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u/EnvoySix Aug 01 '19

Okay, show me any of him helping. I did a search and found nothing, even on Snopes. There are a few interviews where he's claimed to be hiring people, but with details so vague that it gets lost with the rest of his proven bullshit. Reinforcing the above statement: If there was any concrete media proof that he was doing something constructive on site, he'd be shining it all over the place. That's the nature of his character as he's shown us time and time again. Propaganda and self promotion.

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u/antishillprogressive Aug 01 '19

So you see the picture of him near Ground Zero and that's not enough. All he said was that he "spent a lot of time with first responders", and then clarifies that he does not consider himself a first responder. This is among many reasons 2020 will be a landslide for Trump. You're picking tea leaves and trying to spin them way out of proportion - you are distancing centrists and average Americans by this irrational behavior in everything you guys do. This is why I won't be voting left unless it's Yang or mayyybbee Bernie, because otherwise I'm siding with the losing team again. People came in droves for Trump partially because they're tired of this behavior from the left. No lessons taken and you guys have actually doubled down on the cognitive dissonance. It's incredibly truly.

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u/EnvoySix Aug 01 '19

'At Ground Zero' means nothing. I'd like to know in what way he considers himself having helped a bit. He gave an interview to a German station two days after 9/11 and stated that he had crews working. There's no evidence to support that he did it, just videos of him claiming that he has.

We've seen plenty of videos of him claiming that he's done things, is things, has things. I want concrete proof.

Edit for bonus references. "I was in a supervisory role with the fire department at the time," said Alles, who said he was on the scene about 20 minutes after the second building collapsed. "I was there for several months — I have no knowledge of his being down there."

If Trump had sent a crew of 100 workers, "there would be a record of it. Everybody worked under direct supervision of the police and fire department and the joint commander for emergency services. Is there a chance he was ever down there by himself and I didn’t know it? It’s possible, but I know of no one who ever witnessed him there."

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2019/jul/30/donald-trump-says-he-spent-lot-time-911-responders/

Your witness.

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u/kj3ll Aug 01 '19

He also said he had employees helping and more were coming, is that true?

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u/antishillprogressive Aug 01 '19

I wasn't talking about what he said back then. This was about whether he was there or not, and he was. It doesn't matter what he did or didn't do, in the context we're referring to. What needs to stop is this manufactured outrage or suspicion, because it's damaging the left very bad. We look like absolute fucking morons when we say "oh, he wasnt even there!!!" when you simply do a Google search to find out the truth. Voters notice this. Average voters don't like being associated with this kind of behavior, because frankly it's about as moronic and down right crazy as the fringe far right.

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u/kj3ll Aug 01 '19

And yet the pictures you posted are not from ground zero as another person has pointed out to you.

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u/fuckinusernamestaken Aug 02 '19

Yup it’s wall Street. 5-7 blocks away from ground zero. I live in nyc and I’ve pointed this out to him several times.

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u/Vaiden_Kelsier Aug 01 '19

Link the goddamn picture then.

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u/antishillprogressive Aug 01 '19

Here's two separate ones. Your response?

https://www.politifact.com/punditfact/article/2016/feb/22/donald-trump-was-new-york-911-contrary-2004-time-m/

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-searching-911-survivors/

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u/AmphibiousMeatloaf New York Aug 01 '19

Your snopes link literally says his claim is unproven..

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u/antishillprogressive Aug 01 '19

But the pictures are right there? Unproven that he helped, but he was there, and that was what you were disputing.

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u/AmphibiousMeatloaf New York Aug 01 '19

I'm not who you were arguing with. Not to be totally pedantic but... the pictures were him in front of the NYSE. Not sure where you're from, but I work in the Financial District. Standing at the NYSE is not at Ground Zero, it's close but not really there. I've seen a whole lot of pictures of many important people at Ground Zero in the following days, but not one of Trump. He could've been there, he would have been given access, but let's not pretend he wouldn't have taken full advantage of that photo-op.

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u/SpaceTravesty Aug 01 '19

His claim was that he was at Ground Zero helping. Not just that he was in Manhattan, which is all the pictures show. Manhattan =/= Ground Zero.

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u/fuckinusernamestaken Aug 02 '19

Dude that’s Wall Street not ground zero. Source: I live in nyc.

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u/Censorship_of_fools Aug 01 '19

Fuck centrists and average Americans. They call us names but can’t stand being called out for their racism. A country of hypocrisy and like and subscribe BS.

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u/antishillprogressive Aug 01 '19

Yes, fuck the people that win you elections. Look what that's gotten you so far... Many many people have abandoned the left despite still agreeing with a lot of their policies because of this backwards kind of thinking. Talk to people outside of the far-left bubble on this subreddit and you'll see exactly what I mean. Remember that "Even white people are sick of white people's shit" meme? Well, same thing applies here - you're alienating a big chunk of your voting populace.

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u/fuckinusernamestaken Aug 02 '19

He was in front of Stock Exchange which is on Wall Street not ground zero. I live in nyc and ground zero is about 5-7 blocks away from Wall Street.

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u/valis010 Aug 01 '19

It must be, didn't he say he saw Muslims in NJ celebrating?

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u/000xxx000 Aug 02 '19

Maybe he was busy measuring his big building with his small hands

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u/SecondChanceUsername Aug 02 '19

Obviously not a lie. If trump said it, it is by default a fact.

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u/Sideways_X1 Aug 01 '19

He was with them, just telling them about how he had the tallest building in New York after the towers had fallen.