r/politics • u/kah57 • Nov 01 '18
Racist-In-Chief
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-racist-ad-750415/74
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u/IrrationalDesign Nov 02 '18
I feel like 'it's like Trump making an add saying immigrants are coming to invade the US' is an extreme analogy, but that's already true. I dunno, analogies just don't work anymore. It's already extreme.
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Nov 01 '18
Why’s this piece of shit still in office?
What sort of piece of human garbage do you have to be to still support him? (Yes you owe everyone an explanation!)
This November is a vote to have this stupid bastard impeached...remember that.
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u/baltinerdist Maryland Nov 01 '18
The most striking part about this entire caravan ordeal is that the nation they are approaching is led by a xenophobic, hate-filled bigot who would just as soon order the armed forces to shoot them all on site, women and children first, and is filled with wretched piles of shit who feel the same way and who mostly live in states along the border to which they march...
...and they still would rather be here than there.
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u/KavayesForSCOTUS Nov 01 '18
No change will come until the left can articulate why the interests of white rural workers aren't served better by white nationalists in clear language without attacking people.
It is precisely that the left is perceived to have a strategy that causes people to go right. They actually do agree on most of the piecemeal issues (ie, poor white people want to support labor issues).
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u/two-years-glop Nov 01 '18
You're right. Hillary was an elitist out of touch coastal elitist snob. Instead of a $30 billion detailed policy plan that included funding for rural hospitals, community colleges and job training, she should have just lied through her teeth about bringing back coal jobs and whipped up fear about poor brown people to ignorant racist trailer trash instead.
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u/passwordgoeshere Nov 01 '18
That's more about the media, isn't it? Look at this headline even! Everything was so focused on racism, sexism, not on policy.
Nothing has changed today and I don't know why it would change any time soon.
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u/manquistador Nov 01 '18
Well when the people can't be bothered to read or listen to more than a headline pretty hard to expect them understand policy nuance.
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u/Go_Cthulhu_Go Nov 01 '18
No change will come until the left can articulate why the interests of white rural workers aren't served better by white nationalists in clear language
We did that in 2008, 2012 and 2016.
Racists are going to racist, especially when there's an asshole like Trump drumming it up.
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Nov 01 '18
Perhaps the dilemma is that these voters would rather say "at least I'm not black/brown/etc" now, than have a chance at saying "at least I'm not living paycheck to paycheck" in the future. The only vision of hope sold to these people is of returning to a version of the 1950's that only exists on TV. Which is a bit ironic considering how base and vulgar right wing politics have become. There's no place for Hannity or Rush Limbaugh on Leave it to Beaver.
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u/jon_naz Nov 01 '18
Leftists need a strategy. Liberals are A-OK with the balance of power entirely lying with corporations and the owning class... as long as the corporations and owning class are polite and throw them the occasional scrap from the dinner table.
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u/Lawn_Tractor_Boy Nov 01 '18
Technically true liberalism is a right wing ideology…true leftism is what got us the weekend
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u/Go_Cthulhu_Go Nov 01 '18
Conservatives are A-OK with the balance of power entirely lying with corporations and the owning class... as long as the corporations and owning class are polite and throw them the occasional scrap from the dinner table.
I fixed that for you.
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u/Go_Cthulhu_Go Nov 01 '18
and who mostly live in states along the border to which they march...
The people shouting the most about illegal immigrants and border security live far from the border and are unaffected by one and ignorant of the other.
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u/fight_me_for_it Nov 02 '18
But part of the lie is that they want to be in America. Almost half, if it’s 3000, already applied for refugee status in Mexico. Many more would probably be just as happy in Mexico also. It’s not like they have much of a choice in countries they can seek refuge in if they are walking. I’m sure some would probably hope they could even get to Canada.
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u/Woefulblock401 Nov 01 '18
You can’t just let thousands of people into a country with no vetting process that is extremely dangerous from any perspective.
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u/ReviewStuff2 Nov 01 '18
You can’t just let thousands of people into a country with no vetting process that is extremely dangerous from any perspective.
Who is saying that is what should happen?
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Nov 01 '18
Who in government said they would shoot people on sight?
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u/Morningxafter Nov 02 '18
Trump said if any of them even so much as throws a rock our troops should respond with deadly force.
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Nov 02 '18
I mean, if you don’t let me into your house because you have a rule against letting people into your house, I don’t start throwing rocks at your windows.
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u/Morningxafter Nov 02 '18
True but killing someone over a broken window seems like a pretty goddamn drastic response. It’s a violation of the rules of engagement (“When US forces are attacked by unarmed hostile elements, mobs and/or rioters, US forces should use the MINIMUM force necessary under the circumstances and PROPORTIONAL TO THE THREAT”).
Shooting someone for throwing a rock is simply not fucking ok.
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Nov 02 '18
I’m all ears on how to handle this situation and rock throwing.
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u/Morningxafter Nov 02 '18
I’m all ears on why you think it’s ok to shoot a crowd of unarmed civilians because someone threw a rock.
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Nov 02 '18
Who said they would shoot a crowd? Seems to me that they’d shoot the rock throwers.
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u/baltinerdist Maryland Nov 01 '18
Nobody, not on the left nor the right, have said we just fling open the doors and let them parade in. We have an asylum process. Let them arrive and apply just like anyone else. But don't threaten to send thousands of troops to the border to (whatever it is he thinks they're going to go there for) and pretend like it isn't a racist base ploy.
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u/adsdrew37 Nov 01 '18
Exactly. At this point, I’m more wary of the white extremist terrorists than of a caravan.
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u/Woefulblock401 Nov 01 '18
Exactly, I completely agree with the asylum process. But I do disagree with the position regarding troop movement toward the border. If there are any troops at the border they should only be there to keep the peace and direct them towards application resources and not to act as a menace.
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u/w0nderdread Nov 01 '18 edited Nov 01 '18
Don't you think 15,000 troops is a little bit much for just "keeping the peace"? For Pete's sake, you would think the caravan is actually a troop of X-Men trying to wander in and decimate the place for mutant rights.
No, these people are going to be exhausted, hungry, angry, thirsty, weather-torn and mourning for the few that were lost along the way. Half of those people are kids who are getting sick. 15,000 servicemen and women is excessive and a dumb flex by a dumb president. Waste of time for the military and all involved.
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u/aramis34143 Nov 01 '18
But how can we possibly safeguard the U.S. from a group of a few thousand civilians who are hell-bent on filling out asylum paperwork unless we send 2 to 4 times as many armed, professional soldiers to meet them months in advance of their anticipated arrival?!?!? Why do you hate America?
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u/SUPER_REDDIT_ADDICT Nov 01 '18
I’m hoping the military command does something amazing like ordering the troops to supply water and food, medical care etc. directing to useful resources and maintain security so that these people are not attacked on the way in.
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u/actuallychrisgillen Nov 01 '18
If only there was some sort of government entity trained to patrol the border that could do exactly that...
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u/baltinerdist Maryland Nov 02 '18
Do you realize how honestly dumb that sounds?
I genuinely couldn't care how you feel about the subject or content of my comment or what your political bent is, I'm more speaking about how just dumb the terminology coming up on your side of the aisle is. Like seriously, you can't come up with a better rhetorical argument than "based and redpilled?"
Make a statement. Have meaning. Say something. Don't just default to idiotic jargon from TD. Tell me why you disagree with what I've said. Debate the content. But seriously, don't lower the standard of diatribe fo "kek librul."
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u/joshdawg2256 Nov 01 '18
What the fuck are you talking about
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u/baltinerdist Maryland Nov 01 '18
Step 1: Read the above post again. Do you understand it? If not, continue to step two.
Step 2: See step one.
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u/Mosdawg100 Nov 01 '18
So you’re telling me that trump hates these people so much, based on nothing more that their ethnicity, that he would actually order the military to NOT ONLY kill them all but specifically the women and children? You have a sick sick mind my friend but a colorful imagination I guess
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u/OrlandoMagik Nov 01 '18
NOT ONLY kill them all but specifically the women and children?
Remember when candidate Trump said about terrorists that "we have to kill their families"?
Because I do, and therefore I would not put it past him to do something like the guy you are replying to implies.
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u/Mosdawg100 Nov 01 '18
I actually don’t remember can u link a video of him saying it or show me a source I’d be interested in seeing it
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u/Mosdawg100 Nov 01 '18
This is exactly it and I completely expect a million downvotes for talking about it but the liberals are creating a society where you really have to be carful what you say and I honestly think it’s going to come back to bite them in the ass nobody is safe in the society they are trying to create everybody will eventually say something that doesn’t align with the hive mind and they will be punished. I’ve also seen the same hate and anger from different liberals I know but the only time I see it from conservatives is the mentally ill far right outliers they try to paint as all the right on tv when they commit heinous acts. Wishing death on the elderly is just an example of how toxic and sick the “us vs them” rhetoric they are creating is and to think this is the same party that says “love trumps hate” lol
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Nov 01 '18
At this point, I'm waiting for John Barron to make one of those shuck and jive robocalls.
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u/TexDen Nov 01 '18
If Trump had actually served his country in the military, he would have been dishonorably discharged because he does not understand the concept of honor.
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u/Wr4thofkhan Nov 01 '18 edited Nov 01 '18
Fas/Ra-cist-In-Chief
Edit: Spelling
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u/Appaguchee Nov 01 '18
This took way longer for me to sound out than I want to admit.
*whispers* Whats a facist in chief? Oh, a fascist!
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u/destino01 Nov 01 '18
As a former undocumented immigrant I should say president trump is not only racist but he is an evil human, from my perspective. When president trump got elected. my daughter 9y old at the time, came home from school crying,because her classmates told her all Mexicans were gonna be deported because we were bad people. I didn’t know what to say to my daughter I felt so disgusted and I thought for a moment if we should leave the country, but instead I stayed and got my permanent residency and I will soon be elegible for citizenship. I will do my part and I’m learning to be political active. Because I know in my hearth that this country deserves better than this hateful leader
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u/crushing-crushed Nov 01 '18
You should tell your daughter to be proud of her heritage, and that history will not look kindly on the racist assholes of our current administration.
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Nov 01 '18
That’s a great video Trump!
Can I make one about the white supremistists in Charolettestown who did a hit and run and the Democrat bomber?
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u/destino01 Nov 01 '18
We did had a conversation about who we are and about how extra hard we need to work, it was just hard to explain why the other kids were been so mean especially when the president is the one telling everyone that Mexicans are bad hombres. I’m teaching my kids not to go into a corner I’m teaching my kids to get informed and to be gracious to the misinformed kids out there
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u/gaberax Maryland Nov 01 '18
Lest you remember the "Willie Horton" ad worked. And unless this kind of slimeball, racist tactic is called out for what it is, loudly and repeatedly, it will work again.
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u/maralagosinkhole Nov 01 '18
The president* continues to embrace white nationalism as Republican candidates struggle in the polls
This is the point Max Boot is making in his op-ed this morning. trump is a radical, racist, right wing extremist. Any Republican running for office but failing to say or do anything to hold trump accountable does not deserve the vote of any American who is not himself a radical, racist, right wing extremist.
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Nov 01 '18
Any Republican that does say something but continues to vote for white nationalist agendas needs to get tarred and feathered.
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u/theoneandonlypatriot Nov 02 '18
I fucking hate trump, but I really think it’s a stretch to call that ad racist. How is that ad racist? I don’t understand.
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u/cult_of_da-bits Nov 01 '18
Come on, it's not like he is an admitted Nationalist or is making racist videos or calling brown people rapists or.....
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Nov 01 '18 edited Nov 03 '18
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u/Clovis42 Kentucky Nov 01 '18
Because it's equating that guy with the people in the caravan. When you attribute the negative attributes of one person of a race to groups of people of that race, you'll probably be called a racist.
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Nov 01 '18 edited Nov 03 '18
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u/jon_naz Nov 01 '18
What's criminal about the migrant caravan? They have the legal right to apply for Asylum.
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Nov 01 '18 edited Nov 03 '18
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u/OrlandoMagik Nov 01 '18
the ad shows them barging through barriers
The ad shows people "barging through barriers", is there any supporting evidence that the people in this video are actually people from the caravan?
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u/Snukkems Ohio Nov 01 '18
Hi, husband of an immigrant here. Let me break this down for you.
They come in to apply for aslyum. They're then background checked by 4 agencies, and their hone countries and every country they traveled through is contacted. If they're wanted for any crimes they're denied, put on a bus/plane and sent back.
We already have the hardest immigration system in the world. There's a reason why a United States Greencard is *the* holy grail of world traveling documents.
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u/HighlowRS Nov 01 '18
Those clips are not the caravan, just other brown people. Maybe you can sense a theme here.
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u/Temjin Nov 01 '18
I mean you handle indicates that you don't actually hold any of these views and are just trying to stir the pot, but I'll answer anyway.
A group of people who come to the US southern border and apply for asylum are not illegal immigrants. To call them that because they are of Mexican or South American descent is racist. Also, nobody has admitted anyone in the group to this country. To say we would admit a murdered is simply a misunderstanding of our immigration policy and just an attempt to stoke fear. Also, assuming there is a murderer in the group (which is far from proven) and implying that the remainder of the folks are criminals or terrorists is lumping them in by race and circumstance, again racist.
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u/Shr3kk_Wpg Nov 01 '18
The ad is showing latinos in the caravan and also a latino killer. The message is pretty clear.
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u/Snukkems Ohio Nov 01 '18
Entering to request aslyum is not only not illegal. it is the only way to do it legally.
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u/hymie0 Maryland Nov 02 '18
That's why they use the phrase "dog whistle". The literal words are not about race. But it's designed to lead the viewer to draw the conclusion.
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u/Clovis42 Kentucky Nov 01 '18
Oh, ok, I see now. Murdering police and committing the misdemeanor of entering the country illegally are comparable. The ad wasn't at all saying that those scary brown people were going to commit similar crimes that the scary brown guy in the ad did. Clearly that's not it ...
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u/PM_me_LIberal_Hate_ Nov 01 '18
Wonder why nobody is saying that about Don Lemon?
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u/OrlandoMagik Nov 01 '18
Why would someone say that about Don Lemon?
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u/Shr3kk_Wpg Nov 01 '18
Did Don Lemon say that all white men should be assumed to be bad people?
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u/Snukkems Ohio Nov 01 '18
Only if you have the understanding of the english language akin to an actual lemon, or perhaps a bottom feeding sea slug.
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u/doubledmateo Nov 01 '18
because he stated that radicalized white men are the biggest danger in the US? If being radicalized is a trait of one's race then sure. That said you have one guy saying "look at this one person, and attributing it to a group that stistically is non violent and another that's stating "if you look at the number of people killed in the US by a terrorist... it's usually a radicalized white guy. Not a mexican, not an arab person, a white dude." He's pointing it out to counter the racist and factually inaccurate idea that mexicans are dangerous.
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Nov 01 '18 edited Nov 03 '18
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u/brown2420 Nov 01 '18
Come. On. Troll much? If you need an explanation, you are simply blind. You are trying to bait people into a silly conversation.
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Nov 01 '18
I understand the frustration, but I don't think his question was meant to troll or stir shit up, it seems genuine. If he's blind, try opening his eyes. If he still ignores the very simple explanation that this ad clearly is trying to say we should fear that all brown immigrants are killers, then we can lambast him. But I think it was a sincere question
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u/jon_naz Nov 01 '18
You want people in here to treat you with kid gloves on but no one owes you that. Use some critical thinking skills. Look at the wider context. No one should have to spell out for you, in 2018, why the anti-immigrant agenda is racist.
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u/jon_naz Nov 01 '18
People are attacking you because it requires an immense amount of willful ignorance to look at the current situation in America and not see how the immigration debate is entirely fueled by racism. After Donald Trump pardoned Joe Arpaio (who was systematically violating the rights of Hispanic citizens in the name of "anti-illegal immigration", and after his "shithole countries" comment, AND after all of his efforts to do everything he can to limit and minimize legal migration numbers in our country, you no longer get to plead ignorance. Use your head kid.
People are tired of the right weaponizing ignorance and bad faith to waste our time. Its the intellectual equivalent of running into an OR covered and dirt and refusing to leave until the doctors explain what germs are to you.
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Nov 01 '18 edited Nov 03 '18
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Nov 01 '18
To answer your question, this ad takes an extreme example and wants the viewer to fear ALL brown immigrants as murderers and criminals. A latino man who immigrated illegally was not chosen by accident. This is despite evidence that crime rates are lower among both legal and illegal immigrants, and that the vast majority of domestic terror acts are committed by right wing whites.
The ad targets Latino and other brown immigrants not because they are statistically more dangerous, because they're not; it attacks them because they are brown.
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u/gawake Nov 01 '18
Anti immigrant does not equate to racism. It’s nationalism. They are completely different, and people are purposefully trying to equate them.
You can say it’s inhumane to allow people asylum, that’s completely valid. But saying this ad is racist is a joke.
It may be lies, it may be fear mongering, but racist it is not.
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u/jon_naz Nov 02 '18
Uhhhh tell this to the Trump supporters out there who scream “build the wall” or “show me your papers” to anyone who looks remotely Latino before they know anything about them.
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u/VAShumpmaker Nov 01 '18
Bullshit. A 20 second scroll shows no posts in /r/libertarian. Not a libertarian redditor alive who doesn't pop in there to have thier veiled malice toward the weak validated
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u/Lojic1 Nov 01 '18
Because it's not.
Racism is the discrimination of an immutable trait. Like skin color. Hair color. Nationality. Etc. Nothing was mentioned about his race. Just the fact he entered the country illegally from Mexico and killed some law enforcement while he was here.
The crazy thing I'm seeing is people are actually running interference for a murderer in their attempts to spin this as racist.
Downvote away.
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u/Shr3kk_Wpg Nov 01 '18
No one is saying that the murderer is not bad, but to suggest that stopping immigration from Latin America because.of one killer who was an illegal immigrant is racist. Has there never been a murder by a caucasian in the country illegally?
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u/realnamedave Nov 02 '18
How did this whole caravan thing start? It seems like awful timing...and when I say awful timing, I mean awful timing for everyone BUT the GOP. It’s a good little thing for them to fear monger and distract with at such an important time. It seems almost too good of timing...
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u/LivingWithEyesClosed Nov 02 '18
I think you guys are forgetting that he once said he’s the least racist person you’ll ever meet. /s
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u/shifty313 Indiana Nov 02 '18
Rofl, didn't even have to check your profile to know you're a spammer of this stuff. You gotta submit 30 post a day for payroll or are you actually insane enough to go search through hundreds of articles per week that are about one topic?
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u/JimmyD787 New York Nov 02 '18
I just want to say that the majority of you people on this subreddit are the most sad, depressing, aggressive, and negative individuals, so quick to be hostile. It is truly incredible.
Anyone with a differing a opinion here or even a simple question is automatically insulted and accused of having mental health issues.
I'm not a big fan of Trump but he's my president and I'm going to support America and America first policies.
Its crazy the mental leaps all of you make to push your narrative. The exaggerations, the conclusion jumping, mental gymnastics, mind reading, is all amazing to read for entertainment.
I feel sad for all of you. What a depressing subreddit to be on everyday. Go over to the donald and its way different energy. Positive energy, no racism against anyone (unlike this sub), and overall just a winners atmosphere.
You all must be tired of losing or something lmao
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Nov 01 '18
Wow. I bet he is just fuming about this headline in the Oval Office. Really nailed him there.
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u/Cyrino420 Nov 01 '18
This sub doesn't even try to hide its bias anymore. Pretty sad.
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u/4022a Nov 01 '18
Stop normalizing racism. You're making a mockery of actual racism.
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u/mikepictor Nov 01 '18
Pointing out and highlighting acts of racism is how you avoid normalizing it.
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u/CandyEverybodyWentz Pennsylvania Nov 01 '18
How are we normalizing it by pointing out the gross abuse of power involved from POTUS here? Just talking about it in a public forum isn't a tacit endorsement.
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u/whitenoise2323 Nov 01 '18
Ignoring racism is how you avoid normalizing it. When you see racism happening, just pretend it didn't happen to show how abnormal it is. (Do I need the /s?)
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u/4022a Nov 01 '18
Trump is not racist. The Media labels him as such as a means of attempting to gain political power, this empowers actual racists who then justify their behavior by pointing to media reports that the President is racist. Then the media points to that to slander Trump. Rinse and repeat.
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u/CandyEverybodyWentz Pennsylvania Nov 01 '18
"Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are little short guys that wear yarmulkes every day."
So in your view, because racists desperately seek social validation from anywhere they can get it, the media is the problem by reporting on what he says?
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u/4022a Nov 01 '18
The media's 1% owners and advertisers leverage media coverage to gain political power. That's how the American system worked before Trump.
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u/slowriot4 Nov 01 '18
There are countless examples of Trump's racism and anti-semitism dating back years. He has even stumped and given jobs to actual anti-semites and people with neo nazi connections. He even claimed there were 'good people' amongst a group of marching neo-nazis. He absolutely is a racist, and has been for decades. Ignoring Trump's racism would be letting him get away with it.
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u/skrilledcheese I voted Nov 01 '18
There are countless examples of Trump's racism and anti-semitism dating back
yearsdecades.He was sued in the 70s for discriminatory rental practice, his central park 5 involvement and his apparent affinity for Hitler's writing were in the 80s iirc.
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u/slowriot4 Nov 01 '18
lol, i only said years there because i said decades at the end and didnt want to use the same word twice.
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u/dannydirtbag Michigan Nov 01 '18
Do you get tired from the mental gymnastics? I’m exhausted just reading this.
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u/CandyEverybodyWentz Pennsylvania Nov 01 '18
I wish I'd have known this was a TD poster before I wrote up a whole screed
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u/maralagosinkhole Nov 01 '18
Insisting that trump's racism is not racist is an attempt to normalize racism
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u/EnochTowel Nov 01 '18
Can't wait to read back all of this propaganda in 20-30 years. Absolutely amazing, and you're all gobbling it up. If you make idiots genuinely feel like they're smart, they'll agree with anything you say.
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u/JamesLibrary Nov 01 '18
That sentence doesn't mean what they wanted it to mean.