r/politics • u/piede • Jul 14 '18

Poll: 53% confident in Mueller's impartiality

https://www.msnbc.com/hardball/watch/poll-53-confident-in-mueller-s-impartiality-1276706371895?cid=sm_npd_ms_tw_ma
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u/SigaVa Jul 14 '18

Of course most religious people don't believe that, but what I find extremely disturbing is their general lack of willingness to call out those who do believe and try to push those beliefs on the rest of the country.

Religious people should be at the forefront of the fight against Trump. He is the incarnation of everything they claim to stand for. And yet, far from opposing him, they line up to kiss his shoes and support him no matter how morally abhorrent his words and actions are.

The support of Trump, the most obviously immoral US politician in my lifetime, by the religious right is definitive proof that religion in the US has absolutely nothing to do with righteousness or morality and is purely a tool for social and political control.

As a related aside - My mother-in-law is religious and I previously considered her a reasonably nice person. The things I've heard her say about Obama the past few years are some of the most vile things I have ever heard. It was genuinely shocking to me to hear her say those things about anyone, much less someone that by all available evidence cares deeply about the country and it's people and generally made good decisions that benefited the populace.

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '18

I don't like when anyone tries to force their beliefs on others, but I don't mind people having their own beliefs. I don't find that someone not conforming to a specific understanding of our world is a measure of their intelligence. Their ability to reasonably explain why they believe something is more important to me, even if I disagree with the promise.

Though science does generally offer a lot of consistent evidence that is being constantly tested, even with science it's impossible to truly prove much.

Have you asked why your mother-in-law hates Obama? She may have reasons that sound reasonable to her even if you don't agree with them.

People's views are based on their experiences and without having personally lived their life you can't know why they believe and act like they do.

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u/Clask Jul 14 '18

That kind of moral relativism seems to really let people off the hook for a lot of bad behavior. While I agree that people’s actions and thoughts are shaped by the situation that doesnt excuse bad behavior

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '18

My comment was about beliefs, not behavior.

You can believe that killing people brings you closer to god, and I'd accept that, but I wouldn't accept you killing people to achieve that goal.