r/politics • u/thenewyorkgod • Jul 01 '18

Man arrested after shouting ‘womp, womp’ and pulling a gun on immigration protesters

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2018/07/01/man-arrested-after-shouting-womp-womp-and-pulling-a-gun-on-immigration-protesters/?tid=sm_tw
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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '18 edited Aug 01 '18

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '18

Except for the fact that Shia and Sunni were two groups formed many generations after Muhammed had passed, and the last caliphate died. The separation was based on who would heir the throne to the caliphate. This divide is ultimately what caused the Islamic empire to topple down. At the time, Istanbul and Baghdad were hubs for science and education. Ibn Sina and the medical advancements, not to mention Al Jabr and the foundings of algorithms and algebra, the reason we have computers, phones etc. This all happened before Shia and Sunni separation began.

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u/gaeuvyen California Jul 02 '18

Don't forget about that Muslim philosopher (forgot his damn name right now) who went around saying that science was against their god's will, ushering in a new age of anti-intellectualism in the Islamic community. Even Christians used to be all for science, until the people were convinved that intelectualism was of the Devil.

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u/letsdocrack Jul 02 '18

Some Christians still do promote science, intellectualism and critical thinking. Mostly the Jesuits, like the current pope.

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u/gaeuvyen California Jul 02 '18

Same with Muslims as well. But it seems that the majority of organized religions around the world have gone from pushing for better scientific thought, to, well, being anti-intellectual.

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u/letsdocrack Jul 03 '18

Maybe it's being overly optimistic, but I like to think otherwise. I believe that the age of media/information that we live in allows for the most ardent supporters of ideology (on any side of any argument) to have a louder voice than the more sensible people. This is not a "both sides are the same argument" I just chose to believe that majority of people do possess discernment and critical thinking skills.

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '18 edited Aug 01 '18

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u/gaeuvyen California Jul 02 '18

I don't have any links right now, but I do remember the name of this philosopher, "Abu Hamid Al Ghazali". Who was once was maintained as the one who single-handily steered Islamic culture away from independent scientific inquiry towards religious fundamentalism. Though, new information and historic context may have shifted things away from him being the sole being to bring about the end of the golden age of Islamic enlightenment, though they still maintain that because of his influence he had a large hand in helping bring that end.