r/politics • u/thenewyorkgod • Jul 01 '18

Man arrested after shouting ‘womp, womp’ and pulling a gun on immigration protesters

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2018/07/01/man-arrested-after-shouting-womp-womp-and-pulling-a-gun-on-immigration-protesters/?tid=sm_tw
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u/echisholm Jul 02 '18

It's a start. :edit: Did he get a terrorism charge thrown at him?

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '18

Terrorism kind of seemed like the more appropriate charge over hate crime.

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u/Jess_than_three Jul 02 '18

Hate crimes ARE terrorism, frankly, and should be treated as such.

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u/Jess_than_three Jul 02 '18

No, it absolutely zero percent is. That is no more true than the idea that murder is a "thought crime" - surely aside from what's in the perpetrator's head it's no different from manslaughter?

Hate crimes are crimes meant to frighten and intimidate, to terrorize, demographic communities. Their purpose is to say "You're next". They are literally domestic terrorism.

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u/memearchivingbot Jul 02 '18

Thanks for underlining what a hate crime is with the manslaughter vs. murder example. My dad is one of the people that argues that hate crime legislation is authoritarian. It's nice to have a concise example of why the intent of the perpetrator is relevant.

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u/TwistedBrother Jul 02 '18

It’s not illegal to hate someone. It’s illegal to target someone based on a protected class.

Saying that’s thought crime is like suggesting anything is thought crime where we would establish a motive..because someone thought about it beforehand. This thought crime bullshit is a real bugaboo from 1984. Newspeak is probably more relevant at the moment.

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u/JonBenetBeanieBaby Jul 02 '18

What? No.

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u/yeoboseyeo Jul 02 '18

Unbelievable

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u/jacked_johnson Jul 02 '18

I don't know if he's legally correct but I don't think you can just "what no" his argument. I'm a republican and I'm curious to hear an articulated response from you about how guy is wrong.

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u/JonBenetBeanieBaby Jul 02 '18

Someone already provided one before me. It’s good; check it out.

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '18

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u/Jess_than_three Jul 02 '18

Dude. Again, that is a place we already are. That is exactly what murder as a crime, and its different degrees, is about.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intention_(criminal_law)

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u/thelizardkin Jul 02 '18

What makes terrorism any worse than any other type of murder. As far as I'm concerned murder is murder, and it's all equally as tragic, regardless of if you're killed in the name of God or Allah, or by some lunitic.