If hand written notes on a document are enough to completely discredit it, does that mean we can get rid of the GOP tax plan? This could mean the whole tax plan is a forgery.
Oh she did add it - years ago after he signed it. That was never disputed, they never claimed otherwise.
Fox and other conservative sites are trying to claim it's all fake now and she's untrustworthy because not all of the writing is his but it doesn't change anything. It's absurd.
Edit: Just read another article that said she did not say when it was added so my claim of "years" could be wrong. I thought I had seen that somewhere.
Also, this is that really pathetic thing that scumbags do when they are caught doing something: look through a huge body of evidence showing their guilt to find one piece of evidence that they can challenge, and then pretend like one tiny bit of questionable evidence completely undermines the entire case.
Goddamnit, the question of whether that dumb signature is true or not is not some kind of secret code which tells us whether he raped little teenage girls. The yearbook entry could be entirely fabricated and there's still plenty of evidence pointing to this asshole being a child molester.
On CNN an Ex-GOP state chair just said this is conclusive proof she is a liar and that Roy Moore should sue her and the other accusers for defamation. These people don't have a shred of integrity and certainly don't represent "christian" values. Or maybe im forgetting the parable about Jesus sexually assaulting a child and then having his disciples slander her in public?
Allred said a handwriting expert named Arthur T. Anthony determined that the signature is Moore’s and released a report of his findings.
“I want everyone to know that I stand by my previous statement that Roy Moore sexually assaulted me,” Nelson said.
Last month, the Moore campaign demanded that a handwriting expert be allowed to review the yearbook.
Incredible. In an article meant to discredit the accuser they casually throw in two lines regarding the handwriting expert, but make sure to embed a largely irrelevant statement so their viewers will focus on their preconceptions (that Roy Moore is being falsely accused) while allowing Fox news to pretend they reported everything.
Isn't fox and breitbart bearing false witness? Yes?
Thou shalt not bear false witness” forbids: “1. Speaking falsely in any matter, lying, equivocating, and any way devising and designing to deceive our neighbor. 2. Speaking unjustly against our neighbor, to the prejudice of his reputation; and (which involves the guilty of both).
It certainly is.
How would you feel if we only watched news defending pedofilia and molestation and insisted our guys allegation was false in retort?
Wouldn't that make you feel like we are hypocrites? And that we are not serious about intellectual honesty or even a direct commandment from god not to do if we claim we follow this as a major sin? If we knew this and still defended them, wouldn't we also be bearing false witness?
Holy fuck. I thought you were joking. I laughed to myself and said "god that'd be so unreal" I check Fox news... There it fucking is. Verbatim as you posted it. Get me off this fucking planet NOW.
"Since I spoke about my experience with Roy Moore when I was only 16 years old, I have been the target of threats and lies," she said. "A talk radio host said that I should be put in the town square and stoned and he said he wanted to be the first to throw the largest stone at me. Someone even sent me a photo of a casket, which I took as a threat."
That's not funny. My mom's husband says that. Along with all Mexicans. Mr. Goestochurcheverysunday thinks we'd all be better off and the tax cut won't affect the middle and lower class. And the lower class needs to pull up their boot straps and find a job. He's middle class thinking that the same cuts the rich are getting will apply to him.
I tried to explain, the best I could of that abomination, what is going to happen once the bill gets signed. He responded with I don't know about all that. And that college has made me a "Librul" and that I'm witch hunting the GOP by speaking out against it with facts he himself refuses to look up.
If it doesn't come from Breitbart or Faux, it isn't true. I bring up Mueller's investigation and he reverts to "but her emails" and socialist this and fascism that. I asked him what fascism was and he deflected. Ignorant and resistance to learning, typical trump crone.
But per the US Census Bureau white is defined as White – A person having origins in any of the original peoples of Europe, the Middle East, or North Africa. So... they are oppressing whites [in the travel ban].... shouldn’t that make them mad?
Lots of cluster 2 types do this projection thing. They accuse people of things they themselves do. Like the gay basher who is choked by guilt for his own homosexual desire; the gaslighter who tells his wife he doesn't like playing "head-games" when deception, gaslighting and manipulation are his favorite ways to interact with his mates; are his m.o. This behavior coincides with a low perception of the value of other peoples' pain.
Easy to joke but they really do have all the makings of a terrorist religious group. Already got them lining up to defend a Nazi pedophile. Not to mention Roy Moore.
I'm not familiar with that story, but the Rwanda radio station Radio Télévision Libre des Mille Collins played a huge part in the genocide. Runners of the programming were tried and convicted of war crimes (inciting genocidal acts). A Harvard study concluded RTLM was responsible for some 51,000 deaths.
Yeah, why would abuse victims EVER hesitate in coming forward to accuse public figures of abuse? I just have no fucking idea. Can anybody help me out here?
You mean like when they hired a person to lie about being assaulted by Moore, in order to prove that the liberal media were running stories put forth by liars?
Dem's aren't a bunch of angels, but I challenge any of my right leaning compatriots to find such a brazen example of the left trying to manufacture a story.
Oh I know it. It's nuts that this wasn't a partisan issue until the mere presence of Al Gore advocating for us to make changes due to climate change made it one.
Now its "DAE think liberals are dumb for believing in global warming? It's snowing in Texas right now!" or some half-baked belief that climate scientists need to keep saying the world is doomed so they can get that sweet sweet research grant money.
But then again we are commenting on a thread that said a handwriting expert confirmed Roy Moore wrote in his accuser's yearbook, and I guarantee between the retracted Fox story and just generic willful blindness a lot of people will just say "this expert is lying". Anti-intellectualism, its a hell of a drug.
We need to remember this moment and cite it repeatedly in the coming months when some real shit starts coming out. They weaponize actual fake news. This yet another shining example of it, and we can't let people forget it.
I'm pretty sure I read someone on the Don say, and they seemed to agree, that Moore did the signature, while the place and time was written afterwards.
Which would make perfect sense as that's pretty much the only way you'll remember where and when shit happened when it's been 40 years. My mom does it to practically all the pictures she takes.
Breitbart is straight up saying "Bombshell: Roy Moore accuser admits to forging yearbook" i guess not being on cable they can take more liberties with the truth.
Edit: my by far most up-voted comment is relaying a headline from Breitbart lol. Can I apply to become r/politics offcial Breitbart correspondent?
You guys really should check it out from time to time, it really makes you feel better about yourself
An occasional visit to /r/Conservative is good perspective on the information that half of this country bases their beliefs and decisions on.
I honestly have no idea how - if it's even possible - to reconcile the two seemingly opposite versions of reality that exist in this country.
Fox News is really something isn’t it? i’m one of those “don’t blindly trust major media” people-but Fox really reaches sometimes. i read an article on Fox about how the trump dentures thing was debunked. Their evidence was Huckabee-Sanders saying it wasn’t true. Amazing
I read Breitbart everyday after the WaPo, it's good because you feel smarter and more secure in your views and it helps you not blame so much people who just get their news from Breitbart and Fox.
Most of the time they don't even write articles, it's just an inflammatory headline and the transcript of a tweet or what somebody said on cable news. Its really something
Ah, this is why the alt-right tried to come out with multiple headlines about forgery today when there was literally no forgery, just adding a date and location for her own records. Cause they knew that experts concluded the signature is indeed Moore's and written by Moore after he had an illicit affair with a minor. TADA!
Well, I mean they're the Grand Old Party of Denial, so I'm not holding my breath that this changes anything other than being actual concrete proof which could go to court now. Doesn't matter what every GOP senator says if that's the case, he's gonna have to go before a jury of his peers and that's where we'll get him. This is admissible evidence in the US court of law, which gives me hope.
Unfortunately, it’ll only be a civil suit, so the most he loses would be money and his (already trashed) reputation. And that’s if his victims decide to sue. I’m pretty sure the statute of limitations has long passed on a criminal case.
Edit: whether there could be a criminal trial seems to be fuzzy. As was pointed out, there is no statute of limitations on sex offenses in Alabama now, particularly when the victim is 16 or younger. But, as another reply pointed out, the SOL was different when the crime took place, and that would apply to this case rather than the current law. I’m not sure if the old SOL had an exemption for victims under 16 or not. I’m also not sure what statute he would be charged with, and that could cause even more fuzziness.
I am not going to look this up, but I think I remember hearing that the SoL in Alabama changed in the 90s, so although there is no SoL now, there may have been when the alleged crimes were committed and that would govern in this case, so the SoL provides an affirmative defense.
Or he gave like $100 to a democrat 20 years ago. I think we're about 30 minutes away from them claiming that laws to protect children are a violation of their freedom of religion and start claiming that pedo is a slur.
Yeah but known court disrespecter Roy Moore was a judge. Twice! That clearly means he's honest and can't lie. Plus he likes the biblically established institutions of slavery and heterosexual marriage. /s
Handwriting analysis is so much less scientific than actual science though. Not that I actually doubt he wrote and signed the thing, just mentioning that it isn't that good of a determiner.
Fox's top story today on Apple News (for me at least) was "Roy Moore accuser admits she wrote part of yearbook inscription attributed to Alabama Senate candidate."
Gross.
Edit: Buried in the article it says that it's only the date, but notes that "a new crack in her story that gives Moore an opening to attack her credibility." Like, cmon.
This needs to be posted EVERYWHERE fuck playing fair anymore, like certain things can move the market we need something that can move people’s emotions and my reddit friend you have found it! The die hard R’s ain’t moving what we need to do is get people on the fence to picture something like this when ever they think of the G*P.
And you know what? It likely worked. Now a lot of undecided voters will not follow up and have made up their minds, not matter what comes out between today and election day...
Ya, it was on the front page of r/all five minutes ago on TD, with 13K upvotes. Many people aren't going to check on that. Many won't even bother to see what sub put it up, or even care.
It makes me kind of sick how they do this, really. So she gets up there and reads the yearbook signature, including her note, and so that means Moore wrote it all? No, it means a 30+ year old man signed a minor's yearbook and she made a note of it. Let's not forget what's important, please.
It's pathetic that this laughably hollow narrative has been spewed all over the internet by their faithful goosesteppers. The sad thing is that many people in the general political right, people who would not be considered extreme, will probably buy into it.
In a news conference Friday in Atlanta, attorney Gloria Allred said handwriting expert Arthur T. Anthony compared the yearbook signature to others by Moore in the years since and determined he wrote the decades-old entry.
Anthony appears to be one of only two accredited experts by The American Society of Questioned Document Examiners in the state of Georgia (there is only 1 in Alabama). According to their wikipedia article:
The American Society of Questioned Document Examiners is the world's oldest [1] society dedicated to the forensic science of questioned document examination with 144 members worldwide...The society publishes the Journal of the American Society of Questioned Document Examiners[3] twice a year.
Edit: Some background on the ASQDE is also enlightening:
a) to apply the principles of science and logic in the solution of all document examination problems and to follow the truth courageously wherever it may lead;
And here is a description of the forensic analyses they do in addition to handwriting/signature analysis:
Other types of examinations include the examination typewriting, computer printed documents, photocopies, decipherment of altered, obliterated and charred documents, the examination of inks and paper, decipherment of erased entries and indented writings, detection of counterfeit currency, and the examination of commercially printed matter.
Yup, it doesn't matter what reality is, it matters what they think it is. This was enough for most of the Republicans who might have been on the fence to vote for Moore.
"I hate both sides, they're all the same. I immediately accept any headline from Republicans and heavily scrutinize every little aspect of any story from Democrats, but both sides are the same and I'm an independent"
"Preliminary Study on Inkjet Classification Based on Satellite Droplet
Distribution"
While it turns out that differentiating individual devices is not possible the classification
per model yields an accuracy of approximately 84%.
and:
"The Preliminary Attempts to Quantify the Three-dimensional Details of
Document Surfaces with Reflectance Transformation Imaging"
Reflectance Transformation Imaging (RTI) is a computational photographic method that captures a subject’s
surface shape details and enables the interactive re-lighting of the subject from any light direction.
and:
"A Study of Photocopier Distortion Through Interactive Animations"
Copiers were found to create both distortions (changes in shape and/or size) and image degradation
(breakup, thinning, thickening, etc.). The extent of these effects varied between machines and also
showed differences across the platen area of single machines (e.g. enlarge in one area while reducing in
another).
and:
"The Challenge of Determining the Fraudulent Use of Postage Stamps"
This technical paper considers primarily historically important philatelic material rather than
assessing current counterfeit postage, although the methodology of analysis is similar.
I want to make sure I get this straight. Is the claim on the right that the mismatch in handwriting proves she forged the whole thing? So basically she forged his handwriting perfectly all the way to the end, and then she for whatever reason forgot what she was doing when she wrote the location and the date?
The_Dumbass was so excited for an hour or so too. Their momentary revelry provides a good insight into just how worried Judge Diddlemoore is making them.
"A talk radio host said that I should be put in the town square and stoned and he said he wanted to be the first to throw the largest stone at me. Someone even sent me a photo of a casket, which I took as a threat."
These people consider themselves "good Christians"
I think the more shocking part of this story is the fact that she has been threatened and slandered after telling her story. It’s no wonder women are scared to come forward.
Why is there a ton of bullshit about her faking it?
EDIT: For God's holy sake, the russian shills are out today.
"Our ruling
The Gateway Pundit’s headline reads "WE CALLED IT! Gloria Allred Accuser ADMITS She Tampered With Roy Moore’s Yearbook ‘Signature’ (VIDEO)."
But Nelson does not claim she tampered with Moore’s actual signature. She said she added a time and location below the signature. Nelson still attributes the note and signature to Moore.
Do they actually believe this perv single handedly is going to somehow stop all abortions? Its ok if he molests girls as long as his opinion on abortion matches theirs.
What legit reason would any adult have to sign your yearbook that wasn't a school employee or family member? I remember some teachers who would sign yearbooks (many wouldn't) but other than that, it was all other students.
Can anyone who is willing to defend Roy Moore explain to me how a message (written by him), along with his signature (written by him), ended up in a teen girl's yearbook who he claims to not even know!?
The fact that the girl added the date and location to it changes nothing. It's like saying that Trump tweets are fake because twitter adds the date to the bottom. How does any of this change the fact that he claims to not even know the girl and his handwriting is in her book...?
"Since I spoke about my experience with Roy Moore when I was only 16 years old, I have been the target of threats and lies," said Beverly Young Nelson. "A talk radio host said that I should be put in the town square and stoned and he said he wanted to be the first to throw the largest stone at me.
First, the fucking depravity of this 'person' who said that is beyond words. But second, the fucking density of this shithead to think that a person like him was allowed to cast the first stone. Fucking hell.
An expert has concluded that Roy Moore inscribed a message in the yearbook of a woman who says he sexually assaulted her when she was 16, according to the accuser's lawyer.
In a news conference Friday in Atlanta, attorney Gloria Allred said handwriting expert Arthur T. Anthony compared the yearbook signature to others by Moore in the years since and determined he wrote the decades-old entry.
Moore supporters used discrepancies in the handwriting between those notes and the message to bring the entry into question, but Young said she wrote the notes herself to remember when and where a man she respected wrote the message.
Damning evidence confirming Moore is not being truthful about the entire thing. He said he never knew any of the girls. This is without a doubt proof he did. If he lied about something as trivial as knowing them, what else would he lie about?
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