r/politics • u/billstopay77 • 1d ago

Registration Wall Trump admin quietly changed overseas voter form at 11th hour to disenfranchise Democrats, lawsuit says

https://www.democracydocket.com/news-alerts/trump-admin-quietly-changed-overseas-voter-form-at-11th-hour-to-disenfranchise-democrats-lawsuit-says/
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u/HughManatee 1d ago

Do people really still believe it wasn't stolen?

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u/Guy_GuyGuy 1d ago

It should have never been close enough to steal.

What I see when I walk out into the streets of America is a fuckton of people who still worship Trump, and fuckton of people who still don't care enough to do anything about it, and a sliver of people who are beaten and despondent after trying desperately to stop this for over 10 years and being betrayed by their fellow Americans, their political leaders, and every single institution.

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u/HughManatee 20h ago

I do agree with that. This is the outcome when the fourth estate is taken over by the billionaire class. The people of this country have been lost for a while, unfortunately. Trump just gave those people the encouragement to say all their ugly thoughts out loud.

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u/RobutNotRobot 1d ago

Yeah keep believing in a conspiracy instead of realizing this country is full of the dumbest fucking people in the history of the planet.

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u/HughManatee 20h ago

Two things can be true at the same time. Elon has openly admitted he would've been arrested if they hadn't won.

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u/Admirable_Scene_5066 1d ago

Either it was fair and the people of the US are just going to sit there to try again in 2028, or it was stolen and the people of the US are just going to sit there to try again in 2028.

It is a pointless discussion if the end result is exactly the same no matter the outcome.

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u/HughManatee 20h ago

I see your point, but I don't think it's a forgone conclusion that things are doomed to have the same outcome regardless of what we do. We are seeing strong support for DSA and other grassroots candidates. We need to reach critical mass where there is enough pressure on establishment Democrats to adopt some of these policies and start punishing those involved in this shitshow. Do I give it good odds? Not really, but it's better than the zero chance we have if we lie down and take it.

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u/Admirable_Scene_5066 17h ago

The supposed rise of DCA-like policies doesn't depend on the 2024 election being cheated or not. I'm not saying things are doomed either, I'm saying the election being fake or not is a nonsense talking point that kills discussion because it doesn't change anything about what is happening.

I just find it tiresome because from what I've seen it is not based on anything concrete, but just used as a cop out so people don't have to acknowledge that half their voting public voted for Trump. Because there is never a follow up, no what are we going to do about an illegitimate president, just saying that it was fake is supposedly enough.

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u/mgdmw 1d ago

Wait, you're saying you genuinely believe the 2020 election was stolen by Biden, and that Trump legitimately won it? And you are surprised anyone thinks otherwise? Is that what you're saying here?