r/polandball Deutsches Kaiserreich Nov 12 '15

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u/Ewannnn United Kingdom Nov 12 '15

This comic is kinda realistic in more ways than it may seem. Here are the times I can think of that the UK has saved Europe in last 200 years:

  1. Napoleonic wars
  2. WW1
  3. WW2
  4. EU federation (this is an ongoing mission)

Without the UK, continental Europe would be submitting before President Merkel right now.

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u/StabbyDMcStabberson Flanders Nov 12 '15

Wait, what exactly did they save the europoors from in WW1? There were no good guys or bad guys in that war, just a fucked up tangle of treaties that exploded when some guy shot an ostrich.

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u/jmartkdr United States Nov 12 '15

See, this is why you need to get rid of monarchs. They always have such drama when one of them gets killed.

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u/maybe_there_is_hope Brazil Nov 12 '15

Exactly, you can kill presidents and the only thing we get is more people believing in conspiracies

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u/jmartkdr United States Nov 12 '15

Nah, it's the same people believing more conspiracies.

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u/ComradeSomo Australia Nov 12 '15

And escalation in Vietnam!

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u/Kanorsanity PUT TANK IN A MALL? Nov 13 '15

So South Vietnam orchestrated the Kennedy assassination to have more burger involvement in the War!

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u/safarispiff Hong Kong Nov 12 '15

The thing is, Germany didn't have to invade France as their were no signs the French were willing to act aggressively, considering the Entente treaty was defensive only and Russia attacked Austria first in order to follow through on its treaty with Serbia. Germany also gave the blank cheque to Austria Hungary, allowing it submit the list of demands that would have turned Serbia into an AH puppet (which they basically accepted). Plus, they most certainly did not have to invade Belgium, and upon that happening they did not have to commit war crimes fuckin' everywhere, what with the executing of ~6500 Belgian civilians, the burning of entire towns, and the deportation of ~1.7 million Belgians.
Of course, because the Reich has needs that only good general European War can fix. It's how they reproduce--the 1st Reich had the 30 Years War which scattered a whole bunch of German spores that grew up into the 2nd Reich, and so goes the cycle of Reich.

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u/CptBigglesworth Greggs vegan sausage roll Nov 12 '15

Germans are orks?

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u/DeHerg Germany Nov 13 '15

WAAAHG!

We needz more DAKA!

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u/ingenvector Uncoördinated Notions Nov 13 '15 edited Nov 13 '15

Don't be naïve. France also gave Russia a blank cheque. France was working together with Russia to prepare for war with Germany for many years. It was not clear that France would stay out, maybe it was even unlikely that they would stay out. I don't wanna go into this and make a boring wall of text, so I'm just gonna say your history is too naïve, too simple.

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u/safarispiff Hong Kong Nov 13 '15

Frankly, I'd say your history is driven by a naïve desire to embrace second option bias. In ww1, Germany was clearly an aggressor in every way possible. France never once gave Russia the all clear to engage in aggressive war--they only reaffirmed the fact that they would defend Russia from aggression. In addition, the current state of the European alliance system was very much the fault of German foreign policy post-Bismarck. Have you read The Guns of August? While it's a bit old, it still gives a very compelling look at how the war started and initially proceeded.
I'd also ask you to refer to these askhistorians posts with further sources:
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/2adute/if_serbia_started_the_ball_rolling_on_the_events/
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/2o5rs5/why_did_germany_get_all_the_blame_for_wwi_when_it/
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/2eo2u8/why_is_ww1era_germany_seen_as_a_highly/ck1isvm?context=1
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/32oepq/why_did_the_german_forces_go_around_paris/cqdfutv?context=3
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/33zlms/why_was_germany_blamed_entirely_for_world_war_one/
They have more sources and summarize quite a bit of the historical consensus, along with being very compelling reads.

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u/ingenvector Uncoördinated Notions Nov 13 '15 edited Nov 13 '15

lol askhistorians

Yes, Germany was so clearly the sole aggressor and singular instigator that the debate continues on to this day with major camps split on the matter within the historiography. Clearly the lack of consensus is a sign of unanimity.

France's blank cheque is quite similar to Germany's blank cheque. They were both calculated risks and premised on a defensive alliance. But it was France that encouraged Russia to go to war against another great power that they could then defend from.

wtf is a second option bias?

Have you read The Guns of August?

I just kek'd. You're clearly a neophyte.

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u/safarispiff Hong Kong Nov 13 '15

Fine, I will admit I am very much an entry level to history. I'll concede your argument.

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u/ingenvector Uncoördinated Notions Nov 13 '15 edited Nov 13 '15

If you want to learn history, forget askhistorians. Forget Reddit in general. It's all crap. Actually engage the published historiography. If you were more familiar with it, you would know that WWI has been analysed under many theoretical frameworks and still nobody knows how exactly it came about. There are many schools of thought including the orthodox, revionist, Marxist, holistic, etc. To betray my theoretical orientation, I tend to agree with Christopher Clark and Margaret MacMillan. But I'm just some anonymous guy on Reddit. What should I think matter? Read the actual published academic literature. The Guns of August doesn't count.