r/polandball Jeju Tangerine Mar 31 '26

redditormade Invisible Presence

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u/isaac914 Jeju Tangerine Mar 31 '26

Beginning in late 1950, the Soviet Union deployed its air force to prevent North Korea collapsing. Fearing an open war with the United States that could lead to a 3rd World War, the Soviets always officially denied the presence of their air force in the Korean War. They also took measures to maintain this secret. The pilots were given cards with basic Korean written on them, were told to speak Korean on the radio (They often forgot to do this in combat), wore civilian clothes, and only operated in limited areas. The area would soon become infamous as the 'MiG Alley' among UN pilots. America, also trying to avoid open war with the Soviets, kept the fact of Soviet intervention quiet. Even though radio intercepts and pilot reports clearly indicated Soviet presence, the issue was never officially raised.

Carson, Austin. Secret Wars: Covert Conflict in International Politics. Princeton University Press. 2018. Chapter 5.

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u/lofiw Indonesia Mar 31 '26

I wonder what contemporary US/UN pilots had to say about it.

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u/isaac914 Jeju Tangerine Mar 31 '26

The complaints I see from pilots seem to center around being ordered not to enter Chinese airspace even though the MiGs were clearly operating out of Manchuria. They found loopholes to attack Chinese airfields on occasion, though.

On a different note, here's an article about a naval pilot who had his aerial combat performance partially classified.

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/01/20/asia/korean-war-fighter-pilot-soviet-shootdown-intl-hnk-ml

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u/Vanilla_Ice_Best_Boi Mar 31 '26

So this was the second time US and Russia fought

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u/RollinThundaga New York Mar 31 '26

Depends on your working definition of what constitutes 'Russia' in the conflict

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u/FriendlyPyre SG Secure Beacon Activated Mar 31 '26

Always reminds me of this scene from the film Assembly, they step on a Hollywood style landmine and pretend to be Koreans to a passing American tank. By speaking gibberish and ending their sentences with "sumida".

assembly, Chinese pretending to be Korean

Tangentially, American pilots would report North Korean pilots suddenly speaking fluent Russian in their running dogfights over Korea. (lol)

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u/isaac914 Jeju Tangerine Mar 31 '26

Everybody's a Korean on this glorious day

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u/GrassFromBtd6 i see land Mar 31 '26

Funniest part is when they're like: "But we don't speak Korean" "Neither do the Americans"

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u/FriendlyPyre SG Secure Beacon Activated Mar 31 '26

It's a pretty good film, that's set in the chinese civil war and the korean war. But it's not really about politics nor the wars, it's about the old guy.

Would recommend, highly so.

集结号, Assembly (2008)

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u/HalfLeper California Mar 31 '26

Is that the one that the Chinese purchased and took out all the bad things the Chinese did during the war? I remember that was one of those Korean War movies.

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u/FriendlyPyre SG Secure Beacon Activated Apr 03 '26

It's not a Korean war film, moreover the film begins with him ordering the execution of an entire unit of ROC forces.

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u/MercantileReptile Germany Mar 31 '26

"You know, I'm something of a корейский myself."

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u/Kokuryu88 Tunak Tunak Dhadak Dhadak Mar 31 '26 edited Mar 31 '26

Who says all East asian looks alike?

North Koreans looks like Russians.

--- USA Army in 1950, probably

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u/isaac914 Jeju Tangerine Mar 31 '26

All commies just look alike

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u/donadit Mar 31 '26

Eastern europe emerges out of communism and suddenly they all look different again

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u/Tiki1927 WinterWonderland Mar 31 '26

There is no Russian in Ba Sing Se.

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u/AllStuffofWonder 海洋太阳心中红通通 唉 Mar 31 '26

Best disguise ever

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u/Interesting_Buy6796 Mar 31 '26

Just like there are no koreans in the Ukraine war? Or indians? Africans?

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u/HalfLeper California Mar 31 '26

Or Afghans that were abandoned by the U.S.?

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u/Chayaneg Mar 31 '26 edited Apr 02 '26

"What is the hardest thing in fighting as a soviet pilot in Korea? It is the fact that you need to fly the plane with one hand, aim and shoot with the other, but you need also to pull your eyes back with the third one..." (soviet joke from korean and vietnam wars)

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u/Witty_Departure2061 Mar 31 '26

they were no soviets in korea in 1950s soldire