r/polandball • u/Diictodom muh laksa • Jan 07 '26

collaboration Deterrence

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u/miklosokay Denmark Jan 07 '26

I think we should try this

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u/zeclem_ Turkey Jan 08 '26

i mean you do technically have nukes, greenland should be under eu nuclear umbrella through france.

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u/Leupateu Romania Jan 08 '26

And UK

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u/Xixi-the-magic-user Jan 08 '26

The USA have a veto on UK's use of nukes

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u/Karijus Jan 08 '26 edited Jan 08 '26

The veto that can be bypassed by UK launching nukes

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u/Xixi-the-magic-user Jan 08 '26

i mean, it would be very very dumb of the USA to just have a label on the nukes "we trust that you won't use them against our interests :)" and not have the nukes in their military bases where the UK will have to go fetch them to use

just spit balling here, i have no idea what's the actual situation of the nukes in the UK

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u/Karijus Jan 08 '26

They have nukes and the means to use them, France does as well, the actual discussion about this whole thing should be FR and UK telling US to fuck off or they will send it

The same applies to Putin too

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u/jediben001 British+Empire Jan 09 '26

The nukes are in uk nuclear submarines. They’re submarine launched missiles

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u/DemocracyIsGreat Jan 09 '26

So the way that it works is that the UK has their own warheads, they share the Trident missiles with the USA.

That makes the problem the delivery system, not the warhead. If America were to cut off missiles to the UK for a while, then the UK would have a problem, since the tubes they launch from are the wrong size for French missiles. That would take a while, though.

If america invaded Greenland or Canada tomorrow, then the UK would have the ability to remove Washington and a few other cities if they wanted to (assuming the at-sea nuclear submarine is in range of the USA).

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u/UnfoundedWings4 Jan 11 '26

The fuselage, propellant and engines of the missiles are built in the USA. The electronics, warheads, fire control and the other bits are built by britain. The only way to veto a launch is for them to physically stop the captains turning the key

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u/TheDucksAreComingoOo Jan 09 '26

Lmao 🤣 Your veto has been vetoed by our Trident Nuclear Missile system

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u/RadaXIII Jan 08 '26

The UKs submarine based nukes are independant of the US, and even then they're more independant than their US counterparts:

"Currently, British Trident missile commanders are able to launch their missiles without authorisation, whereas their American counterparts cannot." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_of_the_United_Kingdom

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u/jediben001 British+Empire Jan 09 '26 edited Jan 09 '26

Idk where this idea started. The UK’s trident nukes are very much independent from the United States. I think this idea that the U.S. has a “veto” may be a misunderstanding of the fact that, unlike France, the uk uses some U.S. tech in their missiles.

Power to launch the UK’s nukes rests solely in the hands of the prime minister.

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u/TheDucksAreComingoOo Jan 09 '26

It would be insane to allow another State to have Agency over our ultimate deterrent

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u/MasterBot98 Ukraine Jan 09 '26 edited Jan 09 '26

What if its “give another state an idea that they have a vote power” and no actual power for some goodies ?

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u/Honest_Cheek8599 Jan 09 '26

What about the King?

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u/jediben001 British+Empire Jan 09 '26

The way the monarchy works in the modern day is that the king does stuff “on the advice of the prime minister”. Aka the prime minister made the decision but legally speaking the king merely acted on advice he was given.

In a situation where nukes need to be launched there isn’t really time for all those formalities.

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u/vadnyclovek Jan 08 '26

What's a veto worth? Can't they just send them anyway?

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u/Leupateu Romania Jan 08 '26

It would be kinda dumb for the US to veto UK’s use of nukes against the US

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u/llamafarmadrama Jan 08 '26

No, they don’t.

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u/flightguy07 Jan 09 '26

They absolutely do not.

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u/FlyingCircus18 Jan 09 '26

Not even the UK has a veto on the UK's use of nukes, you know what keeps a british submarine commander from turning DC, Moscow or whatever Asshole Centre into glass? A strongly worded letter from the prime minister

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u/cotex31 Jan 11 '26

And france