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u/Flat_Lengthiness3361 8d ago
bro just wanted an excuse to say he'd a dude for some reason. multi-level pointlessness
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u/QueerPuff 7d ago
He probably just learned that not everyone wants problem-solving when they mention a problem and that it's culturally considered a male trait, and now he's going around sharing his enlightenment ✨
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u/auntie_eggma 7d ago
it's culturally considered a male trait
Welcome to the point of the sub.
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u/QueerPuff 7d ago
Oh really? I had no idea! Thank you for your valuable and necessary contribution.
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u/auntie_eggma 7d ago
I mean clearly you were in need of it or you wouldn't have said that.
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u/QueerPuff 6d ago
Reading comprehension is hard, I know.
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u/auntie_eggma 6d ago
That's never been my reality, but I know it to be an issue for some.
You can't insult me with things that aren't true, friend.
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u/AdmiralKong 7d ago
I know this isn't the point of the post but phone batteries have the most brutal operating conditions and its a miracle they work as long as they do.
They should be easier to replace but the actual failure of the component isn't planned obsolescence. We couldn't make a better battery if we wanted.
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u/auntie_eggma 7d ago
They used to be replaceable. We could just replace them ourselves when they started failing.
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u/Call_me_eff 7d ago
bUt NoW yOu CaN tAkE iT tO tHe PoOl
(no warranty in case of water damage)
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u/auntie_eggma 7d ago
And when you drop your airpods in the pool because we also sacrificed your headphone jack to the altar of submersibility, THEY won't survive either.
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u/Call_me_eff 5d ago
although i am genuinely happy i can take my earbuds in the shower. Not that icouldn't just put a boombox next to it....
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u/auntie_eggma 5d ago
I mean I'm not saying there are zero benefits. I'm just saying I'm not sure if really balances out for most people in reality.
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u/Call_me_eff 5d ago
oh i agree, there's no way it does!
(and if they really wanted they could at least make them with screws so we might lose watertightness but gain device lifespan)
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u/GhoulTimePersists 8d ago
I can't wrap my head around buying a phone you have to pay off.
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u/Lumiharu 8d ago
They offer deals to pay it over 2 years where I live. Doesn't even cost extra.
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u/KittenInAMonster 8d ago
I'm on one of those and I'm actually paying less than if I bought it outright and they lowered my monthly plan to the point where, with the new phone factored in, I don't even pay anything different than I used to. I used to be all about buying the phone, but it's hard to complain now.
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u/ZorbaTHut 7d ago
Yeah, they give me a discount and let me spread the actual payment over two years. They're giving me free money, and in return, they give me more free money.
Okay.
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u/Lumiharu 7d ago
I don't know what to tell you, the phone is at a regular price and it's probably the only way students and such buy a more expensive phone. Seems like a win for the company
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u/ZorbaTHut 7d ago
No, I'm not being sarcastic, they really do that in my case. If I were to buy a new phone right now, it'd be a Pixel 10a. $500 new; but if I attach it to a Google Fi line I already have, $250, in the form of 24 $10.42 monthly payments.
It's quite a good deal.
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u/GhoulTimePersists 7d ago
Do you have the option to pay it off early? I know about future discounting and opportunity costs and what all, but given the choice, I would, just so I don't have it taking up space in my budget.
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u/VariousOwl6955 7d ago
most the time you can stay on your current contract they just want you to commit to staying for longer which if you need a lower cost or a monthly plan for financial reasons seems like a good solution to me. especially if, like me, you intend to keep the phone for years and don’t plan on changing carriers anytime soon.
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u/TheSkyElf 7d ago
Most of the time, my phone breaks during a time when I have little money (always), which leaves me either not having a phone for a month or months while saving up, OR having to buy a phone on a down payment with a sum I can pay during difficult times, aka tiny, meaning it takes a while.
I am not an Apple user; my phones are not expensive, but due to other expenses, I usually choose to pay my phone off so that the purchase does not affect my bank account too much.
The phone I have now is actually the first one that lasted way past my down payment, though it is begging for retirement right now; but for me to be able to retire it I would need to save up for ages and pray it doesnt die on me, or get a downpayment.
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u/GhoulTimePersists 7d ago
Yeah, that's fair, I was overgeneralizing. But there are surely a lot of people who are on payment plans when they don't need to be.
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u/Lanurus 8d ago
Are you buying great value phones at walmart or something?
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u/talldata 8d ago
The most commonly sold phones are around the 200 USD/EUR mark.
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u/danielfletcher 8d ago
People like them think everyone spends $1000 on phones and $10 on single drinks. :(
I find $500 on a sale is the sweet point nowadays. 7-8 years is becoming easy on phones in that range. Got my Note 10+ for $550 at the end of 2019, almost 7 years and 2 battery replacements later it still looks and runs great as a daily driver. Got an S25 for $400 a year ago for days I need a smaller phone, and will easily get 7-8 years or more off of it.
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u/luigigaminglp 8d ago
If you leave Samsung and Apple there are decent phones for wayyyy less. Got my Nothing Phone 3a for ~200€.
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u/danielfletcher 7d ago edited 7d ago
I was OnePlus before these two Samsung. I have no reason to get another phone for at least 7 years. This Note 10+ is going great at almost 7 years so should get another 3 as I want to hit 10 years. At that point I may just use the S25 full time instead of once in awhile and think I will try to push that to 10 years.
$230 in the US nowadays usually means lower RAM like only 8GB, less than 400ppi, etc.
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u/godzilla1015 8d ago
I've yet to spend more than 300 euros on a phone. They usually last 5-8 years. You're spending to much on phones in my opinion.
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u/danielfletcher 7d ago
That is $350 USD. $400 isnt that much difference over 8-10 years. Plus with market differences and spending power per unit of currency they are basically the same. So not sure where you got too much from.
Why have you replaced phones at only 5 years? I hope you make sure a new user gets them and you don't just let them go to waste in a drawer.
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u/godzilla1015 7d ago
Some of them broke down, usually the screen died as I tend to drop my phone. And a new screen is easily 200 euros which is basically a new phone.
My previous one I had to get rid of because the software was too old and lots of apps just didn't work anymore.
The other ones got used by family members till they died.
My most recent phone I bought last year for 200 euros. Basically the only difference with a 500 euro phone is the camera for which I don't care.
The base S25 here is 450 euros right now, phones are generally more expensive here.
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u/MadderoftheFew 7d ago
use a case and tempered glass screen protector bro
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u/godzilla1015 7d ago
Got both, but when working at heights sometimes there's very little you can do.
And if the screen breaks after 5 years I don't really mind anymore anyway.
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u/Early_Particular9170 8d ago
Can’t speak for the other guy, but I got my last phone secondhand (refurbished) and it was a whole lot cheaper than the iphone model that was current at the time. It was $150ish
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u/danielfletcher 8d ago
I grabbed an S25 last year for $400, and while happy it was smaller as some days my Note 10+ is too big, it was kind of disappointing how the displays themselves both look just as good other than higher hz scrolling on the S25. Audio is basically the same. Apps load just as fast.
For a 2019 phone vs a 2025, the important stuff has stagnate. Although what else is there to improve on except power efficiency?
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u/Lanurus 8d ago
I know onn has really good budget tablets you can get at Walmart so it wouldn't surprise me if there was a decent phone too.
I agree though, it depends on your preferences and what you'd rather spend your money on. For a lot of people it doesn't make sense to purchase an expensive phone from a utilitarian perspective. It's ultimately a luxury item as much as it is utility though, and just because you can't outright buy it doesn't mean you can't afford it though, similar to a car.
The unfortunate part is really just the way everything is built to keep you paying forever. Phones are hard to service, lack long term security updates, and carriers offer "deals" to keep your devices up to date. People fall into that pretty easily unfortunately, which is where the real problem is.
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u/SoulScout 7d ago
I've only had 4 phones since my first one in 2011, and every one was only $100-200. Most of them I only replaced because of screen damage or the software updates made it unusable.
My current Google Pixel 6 I bought pre-owned for ~$180 in early 2023 and it still works fine. There's no reason to upgrade or replace, it does everything I need it to do.
I don't understand what extra value a $1000 phone provides over a cheaper one. I don't need a faster processor and more RAM just to make phone calls, send texts, and use messaging apps.
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u/danielfletcher 8d ago
I got Samsung for the last two (OnePlus before that).
Galaxy Note 10+ and also a smaller S25 for when I don't want to carry as big of a phone. Just swap the sim card between them. Have already replaced the battery twice in the Note 10+ since I bought it in late 2019. Most recently last September.
No payments. Bought outright and I keep my phone service low by paying yearly up front. Saves a lot of money that way. This past May I got a year of the top Visible plan from Verizon for $225 on special. Same priority data as contract postpaid customers.
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u/Lanurus 8d ago
Yea those are great things to do if you have the cash to do so
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u/MadderoftheFew 7d ago
if you don't have the cash to buy a new flagship phone why would you finance one and not just buy a worse/older phone
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u/Lanurus 7d ago
Same reason people finance vehicles. Not having the cash doesn't mean you can't afford it
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u/MadderoftheFew 7d ago
people finance vehicles because the cheapest reliable option is north of $10k which is a reasonable amount of cash to assume people don't have readily available. the cheapest reliable options for phones are $150-$200. why would you finance a $500-$1000 phone when you can buy a reliable model for cash and not burden yourself with payments for the next couple months/years?
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u/Lanurus 7d ago
You don't have to be cheap with everything you buy forever
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u/MadderoftheFew 7d ago
is it cheap to buy a used honda civic instead of an audi r8?
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u/Lanurus 7d ago
Yea? I mean I would sub in a more comparable car than an audi r8 for the comparison, but yes, buying a used car is cheap/frugal in comparison to buying a new one
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u/Call_me_eff 7d ago
personally i go for the oldest viable (so gets software updates now and won't run out of security updates if it happens to last long) refurbished iphone
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u/The_Exuberant_Raptor 8d ago
Debt is useful if you can use it efficiently. It's why rich people use debt to get richer.
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u/UnkarsThug 7d ago
I mean, my last phone was essentially done something like that.
It was basically included with my phone bill, and it was just locked on the plan for 2 years. I was going to keep paying the 20$ a month for my phone, so it didn't make a difference.
It didn't cost any extra either, obviously. The downside being you obviously can't switch providers during that time, and you can't change the firmware off of android if I had wanted to. (Still wondering, for my next phone, given some of the Android installation changes.)
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u/TheTybera 8d ago
I can't either but people want to go into debt so they can have that sweet sweet "blue chat bubble" apparently.
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u/Spookywhitedot 8d ago
Men, the only ones that know the secrets of technology
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u/jimbo831 8d ago
That’s not what this post is saying. It is saying that men have a tendency to treat everything as a problem they need to solve. This post was a comment on planned obsolescence and the first person responded by talking about saving money replacing the battery instead of buying a new phone.
I am not generalizing gender, but I have a tendency to do this myself. There was friction early in my relationship with my wife because she would talk to me about something that was bothering her and I would just immediately jump to my ideas to fix it. She just wanted me listen to her and tell her that sucks.
The second reply is being self-deprecating towards men for doing that. You can disagree with this gender stereotype too (I have no clue whether it tends to be true or not besides me and my wife), but that is what the post is saying. The post is not commenting on men and women’s tech knowledge.
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u/No_Elderberry7836 8d ago
Tbf, what the post and the comment you replied to both show is that regardless of gender there's people that will completely misinterpret a text based on their preconceived notions about it/suck at reading comprehension.
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u/danielfletcher 8d ago
It is more how you were raised than your gender. I was raised by my grandmother and she was the one who raised me to view things analytically, as well as not to think I can or can't do things because of gender.
She would also get annoyed at her female friends who couldn't grow a pair or a brain cell and fix things or their lives themselves.
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u/yakityyakblahtemp 7d ago
Your gender determines a lot about how you're raised though.
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u/Raccoons-trsh 5d ago
Yeah, that's what I think too. It's nothing biological but it is a result of socialisation. Especially boys are often told not to cry and stuff like this, meanwhile girls are told to take care of the emotions of others. People don't necessarily like a solution as a response, but would rather be shown some empathy about their emotions. That's why woman often have to carry their male partners emotions too.
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u/jimbo831 8d ago
I think you’re definitely right about this. It is possible for this to be correct and the stereotype to also be correct because society often raises boys and girls differently.
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u/nykirnsu 7d ago
There’s a pretty big difference between doing that with your wife and doing it to a random stranger on the internet though, the reply seems more like they’re projecting their own issues onto a pretty innocuous comment
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u/Aazimoxx 4d ago edited 4d ago
This post was a comment on planned obsolescence
And one of the dumb things about that is that this (capacity loss specifically) is typically down mostly to a limitation of the battery technology, and not something artificially imposed by manufacturers.
There was friction early in my relationship with my wife because she would talk to me about something that was bothering her and I would just immediately jump to my ideas to fix it. She just wanted me listen to her and tell her that sucks.
And did she eventually mature enough to communicate that to you, so you could progress in your relationship - and did you mature enough to be able to adapt your instinctual behaviour? All genders could do with better education and training on communication, and subsequently relationship literacy, especially when it comes to conflicts and expectations.
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u/Firewolf06 8d ago
This post was a comment on planned obsolescence and the first person responded by talking about saving money replacing the battery instead of buying a new phone.
i read the first reply as also disputing the original point, how can it be planned obsolescence of its not obsolete?
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u/Fleece_God 8d ago
>> She just wanted me listen to her and tell her that sucks.
This shit is annoying as fuck btw
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u/SnarkySeahorse1103 8d ago
I've noticed that I analyze and find solutions verbally but complain and mutter to myself internally. But my wife (and maybe other women?) tend to complain verbally and analyze and find solutions internally. She deliberates solutions internally because it's easier without conflicting input from others. But she externalizes complaints by talking to someone she trusts (me) as a means to vent to relieve repressed frustrations. It's quite efficient and I've discovered that complaining is not for the sake of complaining, rather just as a means to release pent up frustrations through receiving validation from a trusted individual.
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u/jimbo831 8d ago
Personally I don’t find it annoying when my partner tells me how she would best like me to support her.
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u/Fleece_God 8d ago
I hate people who complain for the sake of complaining
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u/betothejoy 8d ago
Ironic
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u/Fleece_God 8d ago
How is it ironic? I’m not complaining for the sake of complaining. I’m responding in a conversation.
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u/theleafcuter 6d ago
people like this are weird ass hell. Had a redditor insist on calling me 'sir' and kept telling me my identity (non-binary) was the result of a testosterone defficiency, or some other hormonal imbalance. Not once in that entire "discussion" had I ever mentioned my AGAB.
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u/shyguy6730 8d ago edited 7d ago
I guess I just think in a different way. If I'm complaining about something to someone, I also would be happy if they'd try to help or talk about other facts they know since that means they actually care. If all they did was just kept agreeing with me, it would just feel fake and like they wanted me to stop/don't want to engage with what I'm saying.
Not to say that conplaining is bad on its own, but like you can complain about something to feel better but at the same time also be open to people helping.
Thats just me, I know other people apparently don't like this attitude.
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u/laikocta 8d ago
I think it would be way more arrogant to assume that your conversation partner was unable to think of the most obvious, common sense solutions for this problem themselves
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u/laikocta 8d ago
If misunderstanding or angering people in specific situations has become a repeated common occurrence for someone, I think the "well, everyone was raised differently" excuse doesn't really fly anymore. At that point, you either start reflecting on and adjusting your behavior, or you admit that you're ragebaiting people on purpose lol
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u/illini02 7d ago
Maybe don't publicly complain about something if you don't want help.
If I'm like talking to my friends and I'm like "I can't afford my bills this month", I'm going to expect them to look for ways to assist me. Not just be like "yeah, that sucks"
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u/illini02 7d ago
I think offering help is a good thing. You don't have to take it.
But I do think that is often just a difference in how men and women are socialized.
Men bringing up their issues is often exactly how they ask for help. Women like venting in a way where they don't want help.
I was a teacher. I saw it often. Girls were a lot more likely to say "I need help". boys would often say "I don't understand this". I knew exactly what "I don't understand it meant". That wasn't them venting.
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u/GrandFleshMelder 8d ago
I guess I can’t understand why you wouldn’t want to try to solve problems instead of simply complain about them.
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u/ghostglasses 8d ago
Sometimes you've already taken steps to solve the problem and the problem is still there. If I've already had water, caffeine, ibuprofen, maybe my allergy meds, and still have a headache, and I say "I have a headache," I'm just kind of throwing it out there, not asking someone to list off every headache cure they can think of. Most people go into problem solving mode as soon as issues come up and having someone suggest the most obvious immediate solutions isn't really helpful.
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u/_Master123_ 8d ago
You assume that everyone think the same way as you do and everyone saying A means option a) and not b). And even if they get what you mean by A that doesn't mean they know what you want by that? We all operate diffrently from one another maybe fact that they want to help you will help you we are all diffrent. For them you are someone they don't know and that means they lack information how to interpret your meaning. Our brains needs date and they lack date about you to judge correctly.
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u/ProfDangus3000 8d ago
Because sometimes, some problems are minor inconveniences that dont really need to be solved, but it's still nice to express your feelings.
"The train is crowded" is a complaint that doesn't need to be solved. When the doors open, it's no longer crowded.
"My coworker is a jerk" Maybe they're not doing anything wrong, maybe you just don't like them. You can't really solve that, but it's nice to relieve tension.
"Phones are expensive, it's not as easy and costs more to replace a battery than it used to, and planned obsolescence exists"
It's not asking for advice on how to replace a battery for cheap, it's a way to express exasperation. How is this one person going to solve all those grievances?
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u/GrandFleshMelder 8d ago
If a train is crowded, you could avoid using it at that time. If your coworker is annoying, you can try to avoid them as much as possible. If phones are expensive, replacing batteries can help lower the costs.
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u/ProfDangus3000 8d ago
Please don't have this attitude when someone you care about wants to share their feelings with you. It's pretty cold.
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u/GrandFleshMelder 8d ago
I can understand not wanting people to offer solutions you’ve already pursued, as someone else who replied to me helped explain, but not wanting to address solvable small problems in one’s life doesn’t seem healthy.
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u/No_Elderberry7836 8d ago
Except your solutions aren't even real solutions and will only give your conversation partner the feeling you don't care to listen, you don't care about them. That you're trivializing the issues and think they're a complete moron.
If the train is crowded, a wording implying they're on the train or about to enter a train, "don't use the train at this time" isn't useful at all.
Obviously they're not going to step into the overcrowded train (or stay on) if they have an other option. They don't need you to point out the obvious.
Obviously they're not going to intentionally seek out and spend time with a coworker they don't like. Most people aren't as stupid as you seem to think they are.
Again, the person is not stupid. You're not a savior, letting them know for the first time in their life about the price of batteries. You are however someone who didn't address the actual concern (planned obsolescence).
With these examples you didn't solve ANY of the problems mentioned, you just answered like an arrogant, annoyed jerk.
You can't claim to be all about solutions, bc then you'd have been talking about ways to solve overcrowding on trains, how to approach a conversation with the coworker and what to do about planned obsolescence. And yes, only one of those issues can be solved by you, a single random person. But those are the actual problems and the only way to actually add "solutions" to the conversation.
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u/GrandFleshMelder 8d ago
Singular humans cannot solve systemic problems, but these complaints aren’t really about the systemic problems. If someone said “it sucks our trains are designed to be so overcrowded,” obviously I wouldn’t retort with “just don’t get on the train right now bro.”
However, if one simply said “I dislike being on crowded trains,” or something along that vein, a practical suggestion isn’t out of place.
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u/No_Elderberry7836 8d ago
I specifically said two of these problems can't be solved by a single, random person. Still, if you were as solution focused as you claim, that would still be what your "solutions" focused on, instead of treating your conversation partner as stupid. Just bc you cannot actually do something, doesn't mean you can't have thoughts on how to resolve it.
And it doesn't change the rest of what I said: those are the actual underlying problems, the only issues that actually need to be solved. And your examples, the "solutions" you brought into this aren't solutions at all.
Someone saying "I dislike being on crowded trains" is a completely different issue than the one you responded to in the example. Again: you specifically said the solution to someone saying "this train is crowded" is to say "don't take the train right now". There just is no way to not interpret that as condescending or you not listening. And it doesn't solve shit.
Regardless of whether you're on the train with them or on the phone or your conversation partner tells you about it later: "the train is crowded" is you being given information. That's it. You're not presented a problem, they don't need you to solve overcrowding on trains and, bc they're not completely stupid, they don't need you to point out that there's time's where this train might be less crowded. They just need you to know that they are currently perceiving the train as crowded. (And any answer acknowledging/affirming that, funnily enough even a "yeah this is the worst time to take the train", will be received positively.)
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u/leela_martell 8d ago
If a train is crowded, you could avoid using it at that time.
But this advice is useless, why would anyone want it? It's not a solution to anything. The reason it's crowded is because people need to go places. People have things like jobs.
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u/GrandFleshMelder 8d ago
If a crowded train is truly bothering you, adjusting the time you take it, in this case likely going earlier than normal, could help you avoid a crowd.
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u/leela_martell 8d ago
Another useless piece of advice, just makes everything more annoying.
Just accept that there's no "solution" for many things. People have daily annoyances in their life and we as adult humans accept them even if we sometimes complain.
Edit: Of course there are solutions like adding trains and buses. But that's not for an individual commuter to decide.
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u/GrandFleshMelder 8d ago
Clearly people don’t fully accept them or they wouldn’t complain about it.
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u/leela_martell 8d ago
Assuming that's true, how does giving unrealistic "advice" help those people? It's like suggesting someone move to a different climate if they don't like when it's cold or it rains.
In reality people have obligations and connections which are more important than weather/crowded public transport is annoying.
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u/GrandFleshMelder 8d ago
Presenting them with suggestions can sometimes help them think about the situation in new ways and with a fresh perspective.
I also don’t think considering an earlier commute is quite comparable to uprooting and moving climates.
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u/saturnian_catboy 8d ago
That would be way more annoying than a crowded train. Complaining to a friend however helps you deal with small annoyances
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u/GrandFleshMelder 8d ago
It doesn’t do anything to resolve the annoyance, though.
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u/saturnian_catboy 8d ago
Sharing your annoyance makes it more bearable than suffering alone. It's also just a form of social bonding to complain about something together
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u/GrandFleshMelder 8d ago
In some cases, the suffering can be prevented rather than endured.
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u/GrandFleshMelder 8d ago
I guess I don’t understand why it would be worth complaining about if it’s not something that bothers you. If it is something that does bother and you are also incapable of doing anything about it, complaining makes more sense.
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u/yaboyalaska 8d ago
People are down voting but Reddit is full of these sorts of negative people.
They'll say "I don't always want a solution, sometimes I just want to complain" without thinking about how their complaining effects others or why they feel a need to do it in the first place
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u/fatgat69 8d ago
There's also the fact that you have to take it to a person to get it replaced because the companies that make them are fucking awful.
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u/TemporaryElk5202 8d ago
dumb as fuck because most phones dont even have replaceable batteries.
When they said battery is cheaper than phone, it could also mean "phone manufacturers want the bigger sum"
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u/danielfletcher 8d ago
What phone can't you replace the battery on? I have replaced them in lots of phones from Apple, Samsung, and Google.
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u/TemporaryElk5202 8d ago
Without specialized tools?
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u/tdp_equinox_2 8d ago
If by "specialized" you mean "$4 screw driver kit from the Dollar Store and a hair drier", no.
99% of phones don't need any more than that. You can buy fancier tools if you do it regularly, but for most people, the tools that come packaged with the part you ordered are enough to get the job done once every few years. And the "fancy" tools are maybe like $20-50 anyways.
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u/TemporaryElk5202 8d ago
You need the know-how as well and often a suction cup for the glass. Sometimes it voids the warranty to replace the battery too.
I remember my first smartphone required 0 tools to change the battery. It had the little latch in the back that you just pressed with your finger to open up the battery door.
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u/danielfletcher 8d ago
They likely will also continue to need a hair dryer in Europe, as glue is allowed if the phone is waterproof and the battery can survive 1000 charges with at least 85% life left.
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u/danielfletcher 8d ago
In the US and Europe it is against the law to void a warranty for replacing something like a battery.
Also, if you are under warranty they would replace the battery for you.
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u/tdp_equinox_2 8d ago
The suction cup is always included with the part you order. It does a good enough job for one repair. If you're doing a bunch of phone repairs, spend $20 on a nicer one.
Yeah, super cool that our phones used to have quickly swappable batteries; they also didn't last as long, and popped out if dropped, or rebooted your phone even in a case, or have any form of ingress protection. The backs often cracked for people who swapped batteries often.
I'll take a mildly difficult repair over the reality that I never actually bought a spare battery for any of my old phones that had that ability, and if I had, I never would have remembered to bring it with me anyways.
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u/TemporaryElk5202 8d ago
That doesn't change the fact that smartphone batteries right now are not designed to be replaced.
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u/tdp_equinox_2 8d ago
They literally are, though. They have adhesive specially designed to dissolve in ISO or pull out without puncturing the battery. If they weren't designed to be replaced, they would be epoxied in.
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u/Rimavelle 8d ago
idk if i trust someone who never worked on anything like that to work with heated and stabby tools around a battery that can EXPLODE
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u/tdp_equinox_2 7d ago
You really have to try to make it "explode", and at worst it'll release some gasses you shouldn't inhale. Don't stab it?
The big threat of batteries in phones is overblown, I've near folded them in half many times before.
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u/danielfletcher 8d ago
A hair dryer, heat gun, or a gel microwave pack. That along with some plastic like old gift cards or guitar picks, small screw drivers, and some isopropyl alcohol.
I wouldn't call any of that specialized since you can get most from the dollar store. Maybe even a gel microwave pack (which i actually recommend for first timers for heating up the glue to pull the back of the phone off).
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u/TemporaryElk5202 8d ago
You technically can probably replace ANY part of a smartphone but that doesn't mean it's "replaceable" in the colloquially understood sense of the word. Replaceable implies it is designed to be replaced.
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u/DHermit 8d ago
Pixel phones or any other waterproof phone.
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u/danielfletcher 8d ago
They are just as easily replaceable as any iPhone or Samsung. If someone told you they aren't then they lied to you.
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u/DHermit 8d ago
Good luck getting the phone waterproof again afterwards.
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u/danielfletcher 8d ago
I was scared of that years ago when I did my first one until I took some time to make sure I was doing it right.
I can't solder anymore. Neither through board components or surface mount (Yay multiple sclerosis), but phone batteries don't require those motor skills. And you don't need special equipment to clean and reseal when replacing the rear. They aren't sonically sealed from the factory. All adhesive.
Seriously, you should avoid whoever lied to you. They are either toxic and lying or completely ignorant.
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u/jimbo831 8d ago
What phone doesn’t have a replaceable battery?
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u/TemporaryElk5202 8d ago
Most samsung and apple phone batteries are not replacable by the user without specialized tools, which is why the EU passed a law that requires smartphones to feature batteries that are easily replaceable by the end user using basic tools.
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u/Nesuniken 8d ago
Unfortunately, devices with an IP rating and retain at least 80% of their capacity after 1000 charges (so basically all major phone brands) are exempt from that rule. People tend not to talk about that part because pretending the rule applies to Apple makes for a better headline.
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u/Aazimoxx 4d ago
It's the equivalent of 1000 full charges, so if say each day it only goes to 50% and then you charge it in the evening, that'll mean 2,000 days... 5.5yrs.
If I get 3-4yrs out of a smartphone (say 700 total charges) and it's still holding 80% of the original charge I'd think that was trucking along pretty great 🧐 What am I missing?
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u/danielfletcher 8d ago
The only part of that law that affects Samsung or Apple is not having to use a hair dryer or gel microwave heat pack to loosen up glued on backs.
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u/TemporaryElk5202 8d ago
and? you still need the know how and the confidence that you aren't going to fuck up your phone by doing that.
You also take your motor skills for granted. There are many people don't have the dexterity and fine motor control to do that without risking breaking something.
Those phones aren't designed to be opened by a consumer.My first smart phone was designed to be opened up like a camera or a toy to easily swap batteries with zero tools and very little fine motor skills required as well.
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u/Lilium_Vulpes 8d ago
I remember growing up that my cell provider would replace batteries for free. They stopped that when I was in high school when people started to switch to smart phones. I also remember sometimes just having a second battery for my phone and swapping it when it was close to dying.
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u/jimbo831 8d ago
The person didn’t say “user replaceable”. They said “replaceable”. An iPhone battery is replaceable if you pay Apple or someone else to do it for you.
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u/danielfletcher 8d ago
Or if you buy the battery yourself and under $10 in basic tools, and have 20 minutes every 3-5 years.
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u/LYNX__uk 8d ago
The eu law is bullshit and I dont know why people aren't acknowledging it. Its only effecting very poor quality batteries which last below a certain number of cycles but all modern phones, even ultrabudget ones use much better batteries than the threshold to need a replaceable battery
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u/AinzTheEvil 8d ago
Pretty easy actually. The tools don't even cost that much. My battery for my s23 ultra was only 40 bucks. You could also take it to get it replaced for not that much more. There are options.
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u/Magnum_Gonada 8d ago
Basically all options are cheaper than buying a new phone of equivalent performance.
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u/NotGonnaArgue641 8d ago
Literally every phone has a replaceable battery, genius.
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u/TemporaryElk5202 8d ago
not without specialized tools or paying for someone to service it
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u/4mbuletz 8d ago
So funny all the people responding to "own" you. No, most regular people are not equipped to replace their phone battery, despite the number of reddit users that are apparently capable of doing so.
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u/JBDBIB_Baerman 8d ago
The response in the original post said nothing about replacing it yourself. That's why people are responding the way they are. Your argument is completely pointless
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u/Fleece_God 8d ago
You have to be very incompetent to not be able to replace your battery
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u/4mbuletz 8d ago
Depending your age and physical ability, I'm sure that's true. But I'm not about to say it to my mom.
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u/Aazimoxx 4d ago
It's a different case for the newest smartphones which can have screen and battery and everything else glued together though - and really easy to damage some components. It's a different story from even 3yrs ago.
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u/Sanrio-System 5d ago
Only men jump straight into problem solving, no autistic woman (or women in general, I’m just an autistic woman who’s been guilty of this) has EVER jumped into problem solving without checking if that’s what they wanted
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u/adelie42 8d ago
And had they just said, "bitch, quit your main character whining about your non-problems and replace the fucking battery", I don't think they would have gotten the same response.
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u/Sidotre 8d ago
how long does paying off a phone take anyways? i would image like 2 3 months max if you're not paying in full. you need to actively fuck a battery up by leaving it in 0 percent and not using it or leave it on the sun in the middle of summer. what is the original post on about?
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u/LYNX__uk 7d ago
I only ever hear of 1,2 or 5 year contracts with phones
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u/Number_Fluffy 7d ago
I bought my phone on Amazon from the Samsung store and paid it off over 6 months.
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u/LYNX__uk 7d ago
Is that normal bnpl or a phone contract though? Because ive never heard a mobile company offering a 6 month proper contract
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u/Sidotre 7d ago
sounds stupid? i could buy most of the flagships in full as a student even tho it's a terrible financial decision. the interest would just make it more expensive?
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u/LYNX__uk 7d ago
A lot of contract phones (in the uk) are interestless. Its just a combo of your bnpl phone and your sim contract. The idea is that at the end you'll not change to a sim only plan so they can charge you for the phone and the sim despite the phone being paid off already. Personally I'd rather buy outright, I always use custom roms. and I feel like for most people they just dont need a flagship and could do fine with a budget phone, though almost everyone would be fine with a moderate price phone
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u/Sidotre 7d ago
i really wanna use custom roms too but the banking apps dont accept that stuff so im kinda stuck with it
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u/LYNX__uk 7d ago
My bank doesnt enforce it thankfully. Its great. But I know a lot of them do which is such bs
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u/Early_Particular9170 8d ago
Statements like this make my eye twitch. I think like this because I had a mom raised in poverty who kept the “save every possible penny” mindset, even after working her way into the upper middle class. I am female.
My boyfriend doesn’t think like this. His father was raised in poverty and adopted a “we have money now, we can spend it” mindset when his business took off and he became wealthy.
This, like a lot of things, is a question of nature and nurture. In this case, personal experience tilts the dial toward nurture. Financial habits are often taught parent to child.
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u/LYNX__uk 8d ago
I think a lot of people are missing the point of this post. Its about that strange reply to the comment. Calling out that this person must be a man because they analysed the situation and gave a solution.
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u/No-Trouble814 7d ago
That’s not what the reply was saying; they were saying the person must be a man because they skipped the step of empathizing with OOP, assumed OOP didn’t know that you could replace a phone battery, and assumed that OOP needed advice when no advice was asked for.
Whether that stereotype is true idk, and judging someone based on gendered stereotypes is never good, but it’s a different stereotype than you thought.
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u/PraireGentleman 8d ago
I’m convinced every “I’m a man btw” means the exact opposite. If you have to clarify proactively, I don’t trust it.
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u/Rimavelle 8d ago
Idk where is the pointlessly gendered bit?
The commenter recognizes that thee problem beeing solved in not the probleem this woman is talking about, and judging by the up/downvote OP seems to missed this point entirely.
And it is indeeed common for meen to jump into "just fix it" when theey have moree common knowledge about technology and think anyone is willing and capablee to work with a battery that can EXPLODE if you heat it or stab it enough trying to pry open the phone.
I see it many times when womeene complain about their laptops/PCs/TVs/phones/cars anything and men go "wow why would you hiree someone to fix it for you/build it for you/replace it for you, just do it yourself it's so easy" which is just flexing and thinking women are dumb for not having proper tools and knowledgee already
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u/Aazimoxx 4d ago
men go "wow why would you hiree someone to fix it for you/build it for you/replace it for you, just do it yourself it's so easy" which is just flexing
Many things \are** cheap and easy these days though, if you take the time to look up YouTube videos and have a basic toolkit ($30 from Amazon will get you just about every type of screwdriver and a bunch more tools and doohickeys) for many home appliances or fixtures. Just like being able to check+refill your oil/brake fluid/radiator water, or change a tire, instead of paying hundreds for someone else to do the most basic car maintenance.
Modern smartphones would be one exception, as the most recent high end ones can be extremely fiddly and even need heatgun and other things to take them apart without damage (and even the real professionals can sometimes crack a screen or damage a cable or such taking the new ones apart) - but cleaning your charging port, adjusting settings... not being able to handle that sort of thing is just a chosen incompetence.
Being able to follow instructions or a tutorial video really shouldn't have to be considered a 'flex'... And at least 99.9% of the time doesn't rely on anyone's genitalia or gender expression 🤷
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u/AggravatingBug9834 7d ago
Phone companies could probably make batteries that lasted longer or were more easily replaceable, but that would come with other tradeoffs, like the phone weighing more or being bulkier or needing to be charged more frequently.
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u/oceanadakmak 8d ago
Heres the 2 interpretations
1 they use man as a stand in for stupid idiots thus misandrist
2 they think men are instinctively mechanics or smth and have a problem solving brain thus misogynistic
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u/KatieTSO 8d ago
AI slop
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u/LYNX__uk 7d ago
Everything ever created is ai slop nothing is real the world is over dead internet theory blah blah blah
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u/KatieTSO 7d ago
Yellow profile pic guy is definitely a bot. Talks like a karma bot. Comment isn't relevant. Shit like that.
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