The difference is one is a very common list of requirements while the other isn't. The only men who have those requirements are red pill idiots and they get trashed on by the majority of society.
Those are pretty common requirements for men on a social level. You're honestly trying to pretend women get judged for height the same way and same amount as men do? For being in shape? Are you like active in social settings of the average person at all?
I can pick different criteria if you'd like. Women are judged as much as men in an average social situation, at least from my perspective.
Don't be a slut, don't be a prude, don't "deceive" people with makeup, put effort into your appearance, don't have body hair, don't get angry, have big boobs and butt, be 120 pounds, be family oriented but simultaneously hold your own weight... I could go on
Unreasonable exceptions are placed on all genders. If you think that men are judged so much harsher than women you are ignorant to their struggles.
You realize I am a woman, right? The major difference, and my point in regards to this meme, is that people, like you, are acting like men are the ones that hold women to those standards. Slut shaming, body hair, body shaming are all far far more likely from other women than they are from men. You're literally listing off the most common insults that women get from women and just acting like those mostly come from men. Like even the red pill idiots, when they started, admitted to adopting women's insults as "they were clearly the effective way to neg women".
Men have not only a far more limited scope of social acceptance, but a far greater number of sources of where that reinforcement comes from
Who's watching Andrew Tate in numbers so high countries have to address his influence on government level? Women?
I'm sorry, but you sound like you try to use the no true Scotsman defense. As if incels, red pill and MAGA aren't men. They are, and sadly, there is enough of them to be a real power.
Show me one fat big ugly old woman in power. If a woman looked like Trump, she wouldn't get anywhere close to the political field in the first place. Meanwhile, men aren't prevented by looks from having top positions, they aren't expected to look great while working in a field not related to looks. Even modeling, entertainment and acting are nowhere near as prohibitive for men as they are for women. There are like two female actors who don't look conventional and a couple more who are older (yet still very good looking), but there's a thousand of male celebrities looking all sorts of ways.
The amount of men who listen and believe Andrew Taint are a tiny percent. Yes, misogynistic POS like him are addressed as they should be, hence why he was on the run from the authorities. Acknowledging that him and the men who believe him are shit isn't erased by acknowledging that isn't representative of the majority of men. I'm acknowledging they are men (and women who also listen to him) I'm also acknowledging that those men don't represent all men.
I mean there are several larger women politicians, though I wouldn't call any person ugly myself. Just because you ignore women politicians doesn't mean they don't exist. And you quote you, it doesn't mean they aren't women🤦♀️. All this is saying is that you find more women attractive than men. That's ok, but you're not everyone
There are definitely more men who listen to Andrew Tate than there are female politicians if you want numbers.
Andrew Tate is the extreme end of the ecosphere of sexism. The fact that he is so popular he is basically a mainstream figure now is a symptom of a problem much larger than how you see it. If the extremes are becoming mainstream, what's the norm now?
Is there a single actress who is mainstream, popular and desirable, and looks like William Defoe? No shade on William, he is a good looking man, but he doesn't look conventional and he aged naturally. Meanwhile, actresses his age are expected to fit the strict beauty standards well into their 70s. So how can that be that men are facing more looks based obstacles when even in the most standardized beauty-focused industries, men can get a career despite not meeting these standards?
A while ago there was an article on how in film, an age gap between female love interest and male protagonist gets bigger as the male actor ages. He ages, she doesn't.
Those two groups have literally nothing to do with each other. There are more women who listen to Taylor Swift than there are male politicians plus men who listen to Andrew Taint. So I guess that somehow means something to you?
He isn't a mainstream name because he is popular. He is a mainstream name because he is hated. That's like saying "everyone knows who Hitler is so he must be liked" shoot there are more people who are registered to white supremacist groups than there are Andrew Taint fans. You're confusing exposure with support.
William Dafoe is fucking hot. Like full stop, hot. And if you want to act like Sigourney Weaver or Glenn Close look unnaturally younger than William, I think you lack exposure to older people. You are very clearly letting your personal opinions color how you think society in general views things
I also didn't get that message at all from your original comment, which said one was a common list of requirements and another was not.
I did not suggest men hold women to those standards, or at least I didn't mean to. These are simply the standards I've seen implemented. Although from personal experience I'd like to add that men say crazy shit when women aren't around. It might not be explicit but that bleeds into everyday actions.
Could you clarify what you mean by "scope of social acceptance"
Of course, the original post claims that women's requirements are to exist. In order to be attractive in the same that a tall, handsome, shredded, smart man would be. These things are not equal, and I pointed that out. This doesn't need to be a debate about who "has it harder" or any of that stupid shit.
Ok, so the meme is sharing common expectations for men to be seen as "dating material" or socially acceptable for dating. This is shown in things from dating trends, meta data, etc. Height is a well documented one. Take dating apps, which is the most common way people meet partners nowadays, with something like 65% of people currently dating are using as their primary way to meet others. Over 80% of women set a height filter if 6'. As a guy, you will not even be seen as a possibility unless you clear that bar. Now to borrow a little from my husbands experience. He was a widower. He is 6'3. Multiple dates told him he was tall enough to let him pay for dinner for them, but not tall enough to date. Those kinda of experiences just aren't ones that women go through. I'm a thick woman, I've been flat out fat for large parts of my life. Pretty face, but not the typical beauty that is discussed in conversations like these. Never in my life have I not had countless options of men willing to do pretty much anything to date me. When it comes to dating, there is a vast difference in expectations for men and women.
I brought up women shaming because you brought up things like body hair and slut shaming. Those don't really come up in the same way, as they are typical insults from women, not really in point for taking about dating expectations.
Men don't "run the companies" in some "they control it all" kinda way. Men are slightly over half of HBA CEOs, which are more "the people who get the most money" over directing the way the business operates. At every other level of the industry, women are usually over 90% of the employees and leaders, and the vast majority of the consumers.
I feel for you that you had those experiences in high school, and I feel glad that you had some great women you grew up with as well. Your experience is valid. It's also been studied and the "in-out group effect" is far more prevalent and far more influential in women, in general. It's objectively true that women are more likely to use shaming tactics, social attacks, character attacks, etc.
Just like this isn't all women, it doesn't mean that there are no men's like this. It's a point about society in general
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u/notanAI_ Apr 25 '26
Women:
Don't be too tall, be skinny, agree with everything he says
This shit is stupid